Well fellas I now see why so many of you hype up the Barneys Pack. wolfkiller here on the forum was kind enough to let me borrow his Carnivore Frame and a Pinacle bag tonight to take home and get a feel for it. I adjusted a couple things cuz he's a bit taller than me and all I can say is man is this thing comfortable! I cant say for sure why it is so comfortable but I am gonna say that the ultra fat and cushy shoulder straps combined wit the soft and cushy waist belt definately has something to do with it. I put about 80 lbs (dumbell set in a hard plastic carry case) on the frame with a strap, which would normally be pretty **** heavy in most packs I have owned and you really dont feel the weight , seriously. The frame is well put together with strong welds in places that it would need it and it really doesn't weigh very much. So it looks like I am gonna have to give one of these a whirl. The Pinnacle bag is ginormous, I think I could use it as a bivy, but the one wolfkiller has is not the camo cordura version its a pinstripe patterned ripstop with like a eurethane coating on the inside. I'd be afraid to pack that bag on a sheep hunt cuz I know I'd put too much stuff in it. I believe its 7600 cu in and it looks like its 9000. I have some ideas about using a couple different sized dry bags instead of the mongo Pinnacle bag but I'll be giving the boys at Barneys a call tomorrow to discuss my options. So tongue in cheek, I see why so many of you guys love this pack, it only takes putting it on to figure that out. I can tell you that this not the same thing as the Cabelas and Kelty external frames that I have used in the past.