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    Question Anyone know why the ATF has the “F” in its mandate?

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    As far as I know firearms should not be classified as an addictive substance?

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    They are now known as "ATFE" since they added Explosives to the mix.
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    Many years ago when Prohibition ended, the alcohol (anti-alcohol) department was overloaded with employees.
    So the government gave them responsibility for the new gun laws, that resulted from the gangster era.

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    The Bureau used to be just BAT, but after Kennedy was greased by Sirhan Sirhan the 1968 GCA was passed and firearms were added to the Bureau's soup to become BATF.
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    Then they added the Explosives tag a few years back. The government said it would help prevent terrorist attacks such as WTC#1 and OK city. But really it just added a lot of chemicals to the explosives list and needless regulation to everyone with legitimate industry or hobby that deals with potentially explosive substances. The BATFE, like many other federal enforcement agencies, is out of control and needs to be reined in, or preferrably disbanded. Enforcement agencies backed by the federal government that write their own regulations are a really bad idea.
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    Originally BAT was an agency under the Treasury Department, they collected tax on alcohol and tobacco. The "F" was added so they could collect taxes on firearms after the NFA was passed.

    http://www.atf.gov/about/atfhistory.htm
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    Thanks to all for the feed back. JOAT I agree with you 100%

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    The waffen BATFEces needs to be abolished and their sturmtruppen held accountable for terrorism of their own.
    Now what ?

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    The ATF has existed in some form since 1791. Collecting taxes, confiscating illegal substances, investigating arson and enforcing the laws of prohibition. They were under the Treasury Department, Bureau of Revenue. Tax collectors. There was an excise tax on tobacco and on Alcohol dating back to the 18th century.

    The 18th amendment to the US constititution prohibited the sale and manufacture of alcohol. The Treasury created a task force to enforce prohibition and to arrest bootleggers. This Task force was headed by Elliot Ness. He was a Prohibition Agent for the Treasury Department starting in 1926. His hand picked group was said to be "untouchable" in regard to taking bribes which had been the best way for folks like Al Capone to get by the prohibition law. Many of these purveyors of alcohol often carried many types or ordinance such as sawed off shotguns and Thompson machine guns. There was a strong push by federal law enforcement to restrict the private sale of the full auto guns and in 1934 congress passed the National Firearms Act. This required the paying of a $200 tax before anyone could own a full auto gun. (this still applys today)

    This NFA was passed right on the heels of the 21st amendment which ended prohibition and increased the tax on alcohol. Well since the tax collectors/prohibition agents were already collecting taxes they became known as the ATF under the department of Treasury and would collect one more tax. The NFA is what added the F to the ATF, the year was 1934.

    In 2003 the ATF was reorganized and moved to the Justice Department. At that time, the 'E' was added to their name, even though they had been dabbling in explosives for some time, it was never a part of their name. Their primary focus is criminal investigations envolving firearms and explosives. They also enforce the laws of the NFA of 1934, the GCA of 1968, the Brady bill of 1993 and the safe streets act of 1994, but they don't collect taxes anymore.

    Alcohol and tobacco tax is now under the Department of Treasury and called the Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreginAlaska View Post
    Originally BAT was an agency under the Treasury Department, they collected tax on alcohol and tobacco. The "F" was added so they could collect taxes on firearms after the NFA was passed.

    http://www.atf.gov/about/atfhistory.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

    Does anybody remember the TV show "The Untouchables"?
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    In what olympic shooting event(s) did this star win medals? (ten points)
    Robert Stack. Skeet.
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    As far as I know firearms should not be classified as an addictive substance?


    Ummm??.....Never thought of it that way. Though I would have to say I have been a hopeless addict ever since getting my Daisy Red Rider for Christmas over 30 yrs ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevelyn View Post
    Robert Stack. Skeet.

    FIFTEEN POINTS for you!!!! You're over 50, and probably a skeet shooter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevelyn View Post
    The waffen BATFEces needs to be abolished and their sturmtruppen held accountable for terrorism of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    FIFTEEN POINTS for you!!!! You're over 50, and probably a skeet shooter.
    Nope. Under 50 and a fan.
    Now what ?

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