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    Default 180 vs 200 grainers in 30-06

    Hi all,

    I am thinking about loading up a batch of 200 gr. Sierra Gamekings for the 30-06. Will shooting 200 over 180's give an edge or is it just more recoil. Also do these 200's have a powder preference? Thanks for the info.

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    Whichever shoots best in your gun. You won't see enough difference on game to give the 200 any advantage over the 180 unless it happened to shoot better.

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    I have had a box of 200 grn Noslers in my reloading cabinet for years, and they will probably stay there for a few more. The 180's have always performed well for me on game with the '06, and the ballistic/drop tables don't really encourage me to develop loads for the extra 20 grains of bullet. I just go up in caliber if I feel that I need more horse power for the game I'm hunting...isn't it great to have options!

    Let us know how the 200's work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassLakeRon View Post
    Hi all,

    I am thinking about loading up a batch of 200 gr. Sierra Gamekings for the 30-06. Will shooting 200 over 180's give an edge or is it just more recoil. Also do these 200's have a powder preference? Thanks for the info.

    Ron
    I prefer the 200 Gr Nosler over the 180 as an all around bullet for the 3006.

    H4831, loaded with a long drop tube works to fill the case works well, as does IMR4350 loaded the same way.

    165/180/200 all provide a point blank range of about 400 yds on a moose and drop about 17 inches with a +3in at 100 yd zero

    I like the 200 because it holds together up close and retains energy at the far end. I shot several caribou and one brown bear through the lung/heart quite close and noted very little blood shot meat, no bullet shards, and bullets went out the offside.

    I shot a moose throught the lungs at a lasered 380 yds twice, both went clear through with very little blood shot meat.

    I quartered a Kodiak deer at about 100yds, retrieved the bullet, hardly any ruined meat.

    I did shoot a dall sheep at an estimated 200 yds with the 180 gr Nosler and IMR4350 and recovered the bullet on that one. That bullet work well too.

    I got the starting loads and recommendations from Bob Hagels book, which has been a very good hunting/relaoding book for me.

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    You might try a better bullet than Game kings. No point starting heavy if you don't end up that way. Lots of opinions on better choices. I go TSX 200 G for my .300WM, but have also had great results with Noslers etc.

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    Or you could downsize to a 165/168 Barnes TSX and get better velocity (flatter shooting) and better penetration, just a thought!

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    If you like the 200gr the Sierra Gameking BTSP is excellent..... In the 30-06 with IMR 4350 @ 52.0 grains.....suggest WW brass and Fed 210 Match primer.....

    The 30-06 is best with the 180 grain @ 2700 fps......the time proven 180gr Nosler Part is excellent. My load of IMR 4350 @ 56.0 has accounted for alot of game.
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    Default Thanks for the info, and new questions

    Thanks for the info. I wanted a bullet for light skinned game that was similar in trajectory to my 375 H&H handloads. I have read a lot of texts that suggest the 180 grain is similar but with the 270 and 300 grainer's that I shoot , it would match better to the 200's in the 06'. I have shot 150's, 165's and 180 's all have killed game but blood shot was an issue. Now that I'm hand loading, I want to try something different. Has anyone used IMR 4064 for work with the 06? I like the results in the 375 and if possible be a one powder house, just a thought. Thanks Again.

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    I too have used a 375 HH with 270/260 grain bullets, IMR 4350 or H4350 works good in both. In the 30-06 t@ 2700 fps the 180 gr matches the trajectory 375 HH.

    I suggest the Nosler Accubond since you will have less fragmentation from the bullet since its bonded or the Barnes TSX 180gr.

    I have since switched to the 375 Ruger with the same bullets.
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    Good information guys...I am also in the .375H&H and .30-'06 club, shooting mostly (almost exclusively) 270's and 180's (TSX's). RL-15 has been working well for me in both. I'm pushing mine a bit faster...closer to 2800...not that faster is necessarily better...but it's working better for me with the components I use. Just another option for you Ron.

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    I'm on the road right now and can't give specifics, but I had great luck with 4064 in 06 in general, and especially one in particular with an 18" barrel. In the last gun it gave the best velocity and accuracy of anything behind 200 grain Noslers, but as I recall did well with other weights too. Memory says both 150's and 165's like it and it was okay for 180's, but I can't get to my logs right now to confirm. For a while 4064 was my standard powder for 06 and a couple of other powders, because even if wasn't "best" for a particular bullet, it was always in the running. Sure saved on having a separate powder for each bullet weight in each gun.

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    Default 30-06

    I have had very good luck with IMR 4064 and 150 grain bullets. I have not tried 180's w/ 4064. If I was to choose one powder for the -06 and 375 it would be H4350. I have had very good consistent results with it in both calibers in a wide range of bullet weights.

    Though I have never used it, I think the 200 grain Sierra would be an excellent deer thumper. If you questions about bullet construction differences between the 180 and 200, call the Sierra Tech line. They are pretty good guys to chat with.

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    Default 30-06 loads

    I use H4831 and a drop tube when loading 200 gr Nosler Partitions for the '06. I was compressing the load enough the bullets were pushing back out of the case. I ended up reducing the load a bit, but still ended up with fair velocity and good accuracy. I think a premium 190 grain .308 dia bullet would be an excellent choice for the '06. In the 300 magnums I really like the 200 and 220 grain bullets, but they are a bit much for the '06.

    For 180 grain bullets in the 30-06, I've had good luck with R-19 and IMR4831. I like IMR4350 with 165 grain bullets and IMR4064 with 150 grain bullets. This is just what I've found that worked for me, every gun and person is going to be different. I think the '06 is one of the easiest rounds to load for. Good Luck.

    Woody

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    Default IMR 4064 and 30/06

    Lots of good loads on the IMR website. Have had good luck with it over many weights of /06 bullets.

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    [quote=allen-ak;178016] I prefer the 200 Gr Nosler over the 180 as an all around bullet for the 3006.......I like the 200 because it holds together up close and retains energy at the far end.


    Yee Haa. I was begining to think I was the only one. Although, admitedly, a fairly small difference between the 180. But, I'll take all I can get.

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    Just another note, I have a 140 Gr Sierra BT 6.5mm diam recovered from a feral pig, shot with a Swede at about 125 yds (iron sights!). Quartered the pig and stuck in right front shoulder. Very little ruined meat. Peeled back about 1/2 way and retained substantial mass. My one time experience with Sierra hunting bullet was good.

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