Seeing the picture of the stretched and lifted 6 wheeler reminds me of an issue I've seen this year. The guys with a full set of good mudders are stretching the chains out. Usually all the 6 wheeler needs is a better set of mud tires up front IMO. But to each their own. AKmud how are your chains doing? Who else here has mudders all the way around? And have you had any excessive chain stretch? My theory is the better gripping tires create way too much stress and somethings gotta give. Instead of the stock tires being able to slip or skid when turning the stress is transmitted to the chain. Any thoughts?