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    The levels of halibut, sablefish, and King Salmon bycatch need addressed again.

    In the Bearing Sea 7.73 million pounds of halibut is allowed to be taken as bycatch. Trawlers there also caught around 5 million pounds of sablefish bycatch even though their "limit" is 1.4 million pounds of sablefish bycatch.

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    Central and Western Gulf 2.1 million pounds of halibut is allowed to be taken as bycatch, 16,802 chinook salmon were also taken as bycatch (about 5,000 more than made it up the world famous Kenai River this year to spawn). Trawlers in the Central Gulf also caught around 4.7 million pounds of sablefish bycatch even though their "limit" is 2.3 million pounds of sablefish bycatch.

    Most of this bycatch is discarded overboard even if all the fish are dead. The amount of fish that is wasted as bycatch impacts all of us who fish for these species, the directed commercial fisheries are limited and sportsfishing is limited.

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    Money talks. These levels are allowed because the pollock fishery is worth so much. Doesn't matter that the other fisheries are being wiped out in large part due to this waste.

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    Insatiable human greed and wastefulness.... shakin' my f'n head in disgust!
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    Imo, if they can't get this in check they should limit (ie, cut way back) the amount of trawlers until they do! It boggles the mind that they are allowed to waste a greater quality fish in persuit of a lesser quality fish. Freekin ridiculous! I don't care how many people love their fake crab and McDonalds fish sandwiches!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    Insatiable human greed and wastefulness.... shakin' my f'n head in disgust!
    They are almost as bad as the medical field where they charge bandit prices for everything. Talk about GREED!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgpcr View Post
    They are almost as bad as the medical field where they charge bandit prices for everything. Talk about GREED!!
    Oh... you mean like my life-changing $600 cataract operation?

    Ridiculously irrelevant comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    Oh... you mean like my life-changing $600 cataract operation?

    Ridiculously irrelevant comparison.
    Doc I hit a nerve but I will stay with it. If you would like me to cite examples of GREED in your profession I would be happy to list some. lets just say kickbacks from drug companies alone are a disgrace. Paid vacations from them to those who prescribe them. Oh yeah they call them workshops in island paradises. there are hour meetings if you want to attend if not have a great time on XXX pharmaceuticals. My fishing buddy is an anesthesiologist and I hear his stories. Heck the comm guys are providing cheap protein to the world. Nothing from the medical profession is cheap. I am done here. Sorry Doc but I will stick with my statement

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    Wow! I seem to recall reading at some point that bigger halibut bring a higher price per pound. Is the catch being high-graded at sea by releasing the smaller fish (males) in favour of the larger and higher priced females?

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    Quote Originally Posted by extrema View Post
    Wow! I seem to recall reading at some point that bigger halibut bring a higher price per pound. Is the catch being high-graded at sea by releasing the smaller fish (males) in favour of the larger and higher priced females?
    Where I live and fish in 2c, there is a lot of pressure put on the 38Ē and under fish due to charter fishing regulations. Those are males for the most part. Its well documented as we have a creel survey guy from ADFG at the dock every day. Itís good business for the long liners, fewer dinks to shake. But when looking at the overall picture, what happens here is a drop in the bucket.

    Yes, comm fishermen get more money for over 60ís. The yield is higher. I suppose high grading varies from boat to boat.

    All of that pales in comparison to the trawl by - catch though. Thatís where the real consumption occurs.

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    Ok we can all agree itís extremely harmful. But how do we solve it? By nature the trawl fishery is a giant vacuum cleaner and canít sort the pollock from everything else as I understand it. So do we stop the fishery? Make them use pots? Force them to bring the bycatch to market and crush the other fisheriesí markets? Start farming Filet Oí Fish sammiches?

    I ask as I truly donít know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbflyer View Post
    Ok we can all agree itís extremely harmful. But how do we solve it? By nature the trawl fishery is a giant vacuum cleaner and canít sort the pollock from everything else as I understand it. So do we stop the fishery? Make them use pots? Force them to bring the bycatch to market and crush the other fisheriesí markets? Start farming Filet Oí Fish sammiches?

    I ask as I truly donít know.
    Actually, it might be fairly simple.

    Other fishing sectors have solved their by-catch issue by improving their gear and getting better time/location information for deployment. Shrimp fisheries are a great example.

    If NMFS would greatly restrict the Pollock by-catch (as an example), it might force the user groups to re-invent their gear to only catch the target species. A restrictive limit on by-catch should be a limit where fishing is uneconomical with the current gear. This would require users to develop better gear, and to deploy that gear at times and locations where by-catch is close to zero. If not, they canít go fishing. So they can either adapt or die.

    Itís worked before. It can again, but only if NMFS is willing and able (politically) to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohoangler View Post
    Actually, it might be fairly simple.

    Other fishing sectors have solved their by-catch issue by improving their gear and getting better time/location information for deployment. Shrimp fisheries are a great example.

    If NMFS would greatly restrict the Pollock by-catch (as an example), it might force the user groups to re-invent their gear to only catch the target species. A restrictive limit on by-catch should be a limit where fishing is uneconomical with the current gear. This would require users to develop better gear, and to deploy that gear at times and locations where by-catch is close to zero. If not, they can’t go fishing. So they can either adapt or die.

    It’s worked before. It can again, but only if NMFS is willing and able (politically) to do it.
    A common theme in articles about climate change is some species will thrive, some will hang-on at very low levels, and some will go away. In my opinion Kings are a loser in climate change warm and changing ocean and fresh waters are dooming kings. so all the fishing regulations people want to change will not make a difference to the changing environment. There is already studies showing several areas in Cook Inlet will be too warm in 25 years to support salmon. Go ahead make the Kenai drift only, catch and release only and close the set netters and trawlers forever. Not gonna change the air and water temperatures from getting warmer. The environment is not able to make them big fish and large numbers any more. A bigger government is not going to solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidfromgarcia View Post
    A common theme in articles about climate change is some species will thrive, some will hang-on at very low levels, and some will go away. In my opinion Kings are a loser in climate change warm and changing ocean and fresh waters are dooming kings. so all the fishing regulations people want to change will not make a difference to the changing environment. There is already studies showing several areas in Cook Inlet will be too warm in 25 years to support salmon. Go ahead make the Kenai drift only, catch and release only and close the set netters and trawlers forever. Not gonna change the air and water temperatures from getting warmer. The environment is not able to make them big fish and large numbers any more. A bigger government is not going to solve the problem.
    King salmon are returning in greater and greater numbers in California, as state well known for having much warmer temperatures than Alaska. If global warming is hurting kings in the Kenai is it also helping them in California?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan54 View Post
    King salmon are returning in greater and greater numbers in California, as state well known for having much warmer temperatures than Alaska. If global warming is hurting kings in the Kenai is it also helping them in California?
    One halfway decent season in one river system because of unusually heavy rains during one winter does not mean salmon are recovering on the west coast....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbflyer View Post
    Ok we can all agree itís extremely harmful. But how do we solve it? By nature the trawl fishery is a giant vacuum cleaner and canít sort the pollock from everything else as I understand it. So do we stop the fishery? Make them use pots? Force them to bring the bycatch to market and crush the other fisheriesí markets? Start farming Filet Oí Fish sammiches?

    I ask as I truly donít know.
    Look into the "penalty box" style regulations coupled with 100% observation that were implemented by various Canadian fisheries and drastically reduced their bycatch overnight.

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    Bingo Johnnycake. But that would be to simple and would force everyone to be accountable. Way easier to continue with business as usual. Pretty sad state of affairs

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