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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter1951 View Post
    I truly hope the ice fishing community stay away from this event.



    Then I suggest a number of you get vocal and let the uneducated masses know entirely what is at stake....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post



    Then I suggest a number of you get vocal and let the uneducated masses know entirely what is at stake....

    Thank you you for the response, the first thing is to let people know what is going on and I believe that is happening, I did a little research and there are states that have outlawed catch and release fishing events because of the mortality rate. I could post the contact information for the people promoting the event if there is a interest.

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    It would a good thing for individuals to get in touch with the Board of Fisheries with their concerns. They are also accepting fish proposals until April 10th.

    How about No fishing contests allowed on Lake Louise/Susitna and Crosswind Lake.




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    Yes, I am completly for that, I am all in for no fishing events on the lakes,

    i have been been doing some research concerning the connection with the 501c3 Healing Hearts and the point lodge, It is my opinion that healing hearts and the lodge are connected at the hip, if you look at the flyer it says that cabela's and the sportmans warehouse are sponsoring the event, the only thing is the director for healing hearts also manages Cabela's as well as was the past manager for the sportmans warehouse, if you want to look up some information about healing hearts Google healing hearts of Alaska form 990 filing, it is also my opinion that the non profit supplies the people using state grants hires the lodge for room and meals and a guided fishing trip that way everybody makes money, again these are my opinions you will need to do some research to come up with your own. In the end the limited resources on the lake are being used up at the expense of the causal user.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter1951 View Post
    Yes, I am completly for that, I am all in for no fishing events on the lakes,

    i have been been doing some research concerning the connection with the 501c3 Healing Hearts and the point lodge, It is my opinion that healing hearts and the lodge are connected at the hip, if you look at the flyer it says that cabela's and the sportmans warehouse are sponsoring the event, the only thing is the director for healing hearts also manages Cabela's as well as was the past manager for the sportmans warehouse, if you want to look up some information about healing hearts Google healing hearts of Alaska form 990 filing, it is also my opinion that the non profit supplies the people using state grants hires the lodge for room and meals and a guided fishing trip that way everybody makes money, again these are my opinions you will need to do some research to come up with your own. In the end the limited resources on the lake are being used up at the expense of the causal user.
    ok I want to make a correction the business names are listed not as sponsors, but they at least give you the impression that they are

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    As to the BOF process, if you look at the subjects and areas covered in the call for proposals you will see that the lake Louise area is not in this cycle the only possible approach would be to make a statewide proposal that would be all inclusive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by homerdave View Post
    As to the BOF process, if you look at the subjects and areas covered in the call for proposals you will see that the lake Louise area is not in this cycle the only possible approach would be to make a statewide proposal that would be all inclusive.


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    here is a link where healing hearts was requesting a grant to purchase a lodge, my guess they ended up buying the point lodge, if that is the case we have only seen the tip of the iceberg as far as fishing pressure on the surrounding lakes.

    https://www.omb.alaska.gov/ombfiles/.../proj59091.pdf

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    So if the tournament is open to the Healing Hearts program, are the fishermen going to be veterans with disabilities only? Or, open to the public?

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    I think drawing up a statewide proposal to ban tournaments on all natural lakes is a big step in the right direction. I believe the mat su game and fish commission is meeting at the end of February and it probably would be a good place to start by bringing this event to their attention with our concerns. I think by banding together as a community we have a good shot at putting a stop to this thing before it even starts. Getting the support from the Facebook goons could be difficult.

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    I believe it is open to everyone except me for some reason. Donít ask me why because frankly I donít care. They are also promoting the use of atvs to encourage more participation. We all know what a 4-wheeler on a groomed trail in the afternoon sun can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akhardwater View Post
    I believe it is open to everyone except me for some reason. Donít ask me why because frankly I donít care. They are also promoting the use of atvs to encourage more participation. We all know what a 4-wheeler on a groomed trail in the afternoon sun can do.

    Yes 4 wheelers will tear up the trail. I for one will not support the program because number one in my opinion this is nothing more then a self serving program between a lodge and a not for profit at the expense of the local fisheries. the lakes will never be able to handle the on going fishing pressure, I hope the fishing community will also find a better place to fish even if it is up at the crosswind, lake Louise system just not part of their program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter1951 View Post
    there was a test on survival rates for bait caught trout and that alone dropped the survival rate down to the mid 60%. From what I have been able to find out the other businesses in the area are not for this event In any way. I truly hope the ice fishing community stay away from this event.


    Air time is bad. One study by R.A. Ferguson and B.L. Tufts looked at the amount of time a fish is exposed to air after caught, and discovered that every second literally counts. Fish that were exercised but released without being held out of the water had a survival rate of 88 percent. But with 30 seconds air exposure, that dropped to 62 percent, and at one minute, it was a mere 28 percent. Makes sense. Imagine running a few laps around the track, and then dunking your head in a bucket of water. Think about those numbers when you go to take that photograph of the big trout you just landed. Try to keep those shots to 10 seconds or less, if at all possible.

    Think about that with salmon, especially king salmon.

    If you have a link to that study I would like to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan54 View Post
    Think about that with salmon, especially king salmon.

    If you have a link to that study I would like to see it.

    How's about them PATS!!!!
    I personely gave up salmon fishing years ago, so all the ones I would have caught survived, unless somebody else caught them LOL. But on a serious note yes it is hard on all fish tone completly tired down and then released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan54 View Post
    Think about that with salmon, especially king salmon.

    If you have a link to that study I would like to see it.

    How's about them PATS!!!!
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    Had a conversation with the Glenallen Fish and Game, they have concerns about the mortality of the wild trout. They will give you the boxed everything will be ok but I could tell ona personel level they are worried, they are going to have a meeting with the lodge on Thursday and will have a large presents during the event please call with concerns the people that do so will only help, 907-822-3309

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    Is that number to the glenallen fish and game representative you talked to? If so I will be calling. Just wanted to make sure who i was going to be calling when using that number. There seems to be gaining interest on the social media pages so we need all the support we can get to voice our concerns to the powers to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwackkillncrew View Post
    Is that number to the glenallen fish and game representative you talked to? If so I will be calling. Just wanted to make sure who i was going to be calling when using that number. There seems to be gaining interest on the social media pages so we need all the support we can get to voice our concerns to the powers to be.
    yes, and he said he had been getting calls from concern people, so yes please call the more the better.

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    The one thing the point lodge needs to understand, we are the folks that support the lodges throughout the year, 99% of the people that will be going up for this event will be just going up there once they do not support the Point Lodge the rest of the year, I for one will not darken their door after this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter1951 View Post
    The one thing the point lodge needs to understand, we are the folks that support the lodges throughout the year, 99% of the people that will be going up for this event will be just going up there once they do not support the Point Lodge the rest of the year, I for one will not darken their door after this.
    It is the Point Lodge only that is doing this event, the rest of the local lodges and bussness have nothing to with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter1951 View Post
    The one thing the point lodge needs to understand, we are the folks that support the lodges throughout the year, 99% of the people that will be going up for this event will be just going up there once they do not support the Point Lodge the rest of the year, I for one will not darken their door after this.
    Sometimes people do things with the best intentions. Healing Hearts is a program with good intentions. The lodge probably had good intentions too. More than likely, after this they won't try it again.

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