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    During their season you could rent some different canoes and try them out. Maybe a retailer has some demo boats you could try.

    I've built outriggers for a canoe before, just used dowels and styrofoam. Very stable, but very slow. Darn thing was a raft but sure was comforting knowing we couldn't roll. There are hydrodynamic commercially built outriggers that look pretty good, if I ever set up my Grumman double ender or Sportboat for sailing I may have to buy some or build something similar.

    http://castlecraft.com/canoe_stabilizer.htm

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    Canoe for all seasons...
    outriggers can be a pain if they are not set up right.
    the type I have are adjustable to where the out riggers
    are not even in use unless the canoe rolls far enough to either side
    then they touch the water and stop the roll over.,
    just adjust them like training wheels
    they won’t be needed unless you go to far??
    material for the best All around Canoe would
    be a light weight material that can keep its shape
    and handle abrasive rocks ,,,
    the canoe shape would lend itself to good initial stability
    And be able to haul approx 900 or more lbs as per its rating
    speed would not be the biggest concern with all around use
    and you would want very little rocker in your canoe
    so it could serve on flat water and calmer
    class one type rivers
    the canoe style I prefer for this all around
    canoe is the old town camper in 16 foot
    it weighs 58 lbs
    is 36 inch wide
    carries a thousand pounds
    can handle a side mounted electric motor
    or 2 hp gas motor
    can be portaged easily
    When you come to a fork in the trail, take it!

    Rentals for Canoes, Kayaks, Rafts, boats serving the Kenai canoe trail system and the Kenai river for over 15 years. www.alaskacanoetrips.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskacanoe View Post
    the canoe style I prefer for this all around
    canoe is the old town camper in 16 foot
    it weighs 58 lbs
    is 36 inch wide
    carries a thousand pounds
    can handle a side mounted electric motor
    or 2 hp gas motor
    can be portaged easily
    I like that one

    I also found the freighter canoes, wow, they are everything I'm looking for except heavy. But I may be able to deal with the weight, at least for a few more years anyway

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    Something like this looks useful...

    https://www.marineoutfitters.ca/inde...=9421026831927

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    I'd honestly look for a second hand boat. Hauling two people and some camping gear is possible with any decent sized canoe...i'd go 17 foot and 36" wide and at least 13-14' deep. light means a composite kevlar perhaps, stable means a fairly flat floor.

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    I have a wenonah itasca that is in very good condition for $1700. It is very fast stable and can handle 1500lbs. I really like the canoe but want to go a different direction.

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    You mentioned inflatables. So, have you looked at a kaboat yet? They paddle quite nicely for what it is. I use the oars at times and I often use just one kind of like a stand up paddle board. I do use an outboard as my main mode of propulsion. Super stable. Ive fly fished out of mine numerous times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcnejs View Post
    I have a wenonah itasca that is in very good condition for $1700. It is very fast stable and can handle 1500lbs. I really like the canoe but want to go a different direction.
    If I was looking for yet another canoe the Itasca looks like a great choice. Super funky!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cry6gbaMZqg

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    I have the Clipper MacSport 18. It's fiberglass with kevlar plates. Sofar it's been a grat fishing canoe.

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    Does anyone have experience with Sportpal canoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by North61 View Post
    I'd honestly look for a second hand boat. Hauling two people and some camping gear is possible with any decent sized canoe...i'd go 17 foot and 36" wide and at least 13-14' deep. light means a composite kevlar perhaps, stable means a fairly flat floor.
    I've been doing this but how do I know what is a good 2nd hand canoe?

    What is the life expectancy of aluminum and other materials used in making canoes?

    Is 20 years considered old? The answer probably depends on the amount of use/abuse unless some of the materials just degrade over time in our harsh weather and boating conditions

    Where should I look for stress cracks?

    What else should I look for or ask about?

    Anyone in the Kenai/Soldotna area willing to walk me around their canoe?

    There is a bunch of great info you guys offered up and nothing is off the table right now. Except kayaks, they're just too small for what i'm looking for.

    I'll be around but if you're not, Merry Christmas

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    Look for sun damage on a fiberglass or composite boat....it will be well faded and could be quite brittle

    Look for dents and stress fractures in aluminum.... small holes can be patched...is it still symmetrical?

    In Plastic or Royalex a crease means it has been wrapped.Well used Royalex will have the vinyl skin work away on the bottom.

    Look for structural damage or repairs.

    My aluminum canoe was in good shape with some small holes and one small tear. Fixed it in less than 90 minutes. If not abused or over used aluminum will last forever.

    Look for a high volume hull 14-15 inches deep at the middle, over 36" wide and as long as you can get.

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    Well you can spend all winter talking about canoes... Better to go paddle them and figure out what you are buying the canoe for. There are river canoes, lake canoes, white water, freighting & big water canoes. There are canoes that are a pleasure to paddle and some that can't track or have so much drag you don't enjoy paddling them. It is the canoe's hull shape that reveals what it was designed for. Go to a site that explains hull shapes. Better yet do some research on the art of paddling... Bill Mason's 'Path of the Paddle' or 'Song of the Paddle'... Wenonah Canoes explains hull designs on their site, as do other manufacturers. There are many junk canoe designs out there for the neophyte to waste money on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipercub View Post
    Well you can spend all winter talking about canoes... Better to go paddle them and figure out what you are buying the canoe for. There are river canoes, lake canoes, white water, freighting & big water canoes. There are canoes that are a pleasure to paddle and some that can't track or have so much drag you don't enjoy paddling them. It is the canoe's hull shape that reveals what it was designed for. Go to a site that explains hull shapes. Better yet do some research on the art of paddling... Bill Mason's 'Path of the Paddle' or 'Song of the Paddle'... Wenonah Canoes explains hull designs on their site, as do other manufacturers. There are many junk canoe designs out there for the neophyte to waste money on...

    That's actually pretty good advice. Another great web-resource is the forum at Canadian Canoe Routes......non hunters but lots of practical advice.

    http://www.myccr.com/phpbbforum/view...640e71478e8092

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