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    NTSB: 1 dead in plane crash near Nome

    • Author: Chris Klint
    • Updated: 2 hours ago
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    An aircraft reported overdue after departing from Wasilla Sunday was found crashed near Nome Monday, with its pilot and sole occupant dead, according to the National Transportation Safety Board.


    Alaska State Troopers identified the pilot at 28-year-old Wasilla resident Thomas Grainger, whose family was told about the crash.


    NTSB investigator Noreen Price said that the privately operated Cessna 172 was found crashed about 7 miles east of Nome. The plane had been on a flight from Wasilla to Nome Sunday evening, she said, and is believed to have crashed sometime after 10 p.m. that night.


    "He texted his fiancee at 9:11 p.m. that he could not land due to weather," Price said.


    Grainger's last communication came at 10:30 p.m., according to troopers.
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    I was just looking at the Wx around that time. The vis was great a few hours earlier but the ceiling wasn't. Just trying to learn. Rest In Peace.
    0611:53N 50.25Freezing FogVV002-6-986%-18NA30.521033.6
    0610:53N 510.00OvercastOVC002-10-1386%-22NA30.521033.6
    0609:53N 30.50Freezing FogVV002-9-1287%NANA30.511033.4
    0608:53NE 30.15Freezing FogVV002-5-81-1087%NANA30.501032.9
    0607:53Calm0.25Freezing FogVV002-6-891%NANA30.511033.0
    0606:53Calm0.25Light Snow Freezing FogVV002-9-1191%NANA30.501032.9
    0605:53N 50.25Light Snow Freezing FogVV002-5-791%-16NA30.491032.5
    0604:53N 64.00Light Snow Fog/MistOVC003-2-491%-14NA30.491032.6
    0603:53N 59.00OvercastOVC0031-287%-9NA30.491032.6
    0602:53N 510.00OvercastOVC0041-21-887%-9NA30.491032.5
    0601:53N 610.00OvercastOVC005-1-3


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    Sounds-looks like some pretty piss-poor flight planning. Why flying at night? Emotional problems? You fly all the way there without checking the WX enroute and then discover Nome is fogged-in!!! What then, you run out of fuel. Did this person have a flight plan with a fuel stop?

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    NTSB will answer that... Be patient...
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    About 450 nautical miles in a straight line. Over 4 hours in a C-172 if there are no head winds. ( if you have LR tanks ) N736AS was a HAWK XP, so it was probably a wee bit faster than most C-172s. Still 4 hours surpasses my bladder time limit these days.

    It will be interesting to see what the NTSB says one day. Since the pilot cannot be interviewed, it will be partially speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'N'Photos View Post
    NTSB will answer that... Be patient...
    yeah right, good luck with that.

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    The Nome pilot's account on Supercub.Org describes the situation pretty well. This young man was poorly prepared and under equipped to make that flight. Why he didn't know that or why he overlooked the clues? No telling. Doesn't matter. He made some mistakes. The result is the same. Condolences and comfort to his survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pid View Post
    The Nome pilot's account on Supercub.Org describes the situation pretty well. This young man was poorly prepared and under equipped to make that flight. Why he didn't know that or why he overlooked the clues? No telling. Doesn't matter. He made some mistakes. The result is the same. Condolences and comfort to his survivors.
    Mr. Pid,

    Do you have a link to that discussion, I would be very interested in reading it. Very unfortunate, hopefully there will be some take away from this tragic accident.

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    The thread isn't important but the last post is informative. http://www.supercub.org/forum/showth...966#post682966

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wldlndfirefghtr View Post
    Mr. Pid,

    Do you have a link to that discussion, I would be very interested in reading it. Very unfortunate, hopefully there will be some take away from this tragic accident.

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    The post is in the members only part of supercub.org. I will not cut paste the OPs post, but to paraphrase.... many heard him circling an unlit ski strip (he was on wheels) not the main airport in the fog,, and many tried to raise him on handheld radios. No radio calls were ever heard and he flew off down the coast to the east. Many said they had seen the plane in Nome during the summer.
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    Looks like he was not night flight legal.

    http://www.ktva.com/faa-records-show...fly-night-553/
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    My wife is best friends with Tom's fiancÚ. I only met him a couple of times but he seemed like a nice guy. Loved Alaska. Moved here after college because it was his dream. His family arrived in Anchorage today to take custody of him.

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    Hard to understand the thought process. Young fella, lots to look forward to. Very sad. Condolences to his loved ones.

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    Exactly "The thought process" ,had to be some extenuating circumstances
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbflyer View Post
    Hard to understand the thought process. Young fella, lots to look forward to. Very sad. Condolences to his loved ones.
    Extremely unfortunate and heart breaking for the family and friends. From a Human Factor and Risk Management standpoint, very fascinating, unfortunately we probably won't know what was the true thought process and motivation for this flight.


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    I know his decision to go to Nome was made on short notice to go see his friends. He had done the flight about 30 times before (unknown if ever in dark). He refueled in McGrath before going on to Nome and supposedly checked weather while in Mcgrath. That's all we know.

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    http://www.ktva.com/ntsb-report-fata...-released-680/

    """GPS data was recovered from the plane and showed that Grainger made no stops between Wasilla and Nome, a flight Price described in an interview as long for a small plane, totaling more than 500 miles. Fuel company records indicate he purchased 35.3 gallons of fuel, which his fiancÚ explained was used to fill the plane and two fuel containers. According to Price, the plane he was flying could carry up to 52 gallons of fuel."""
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    He flew for 5.3 hours and had 49 gal usable on board, if he was full leaving Wasilla. Why he didn't land and use the two fuel containers in the back of the plane before running out of fuel, will never be known. Sounds like he could have done an ILS into Nome with a few hundred feet to spare but for some reason was trying to "sneak in" to the City Strip instead. I suspect there is a reason why this pilot was trying to run in the stealth mode, no stops along the way, no flight plan, no contacts checking for WX...

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    You can use burn some of the unusable in level flight.
    Almost an average of 100 gallons of av-gas ( IO-360 engine 9 to 10.5 gallons per hour) for a round trip out and back. And he made 20 trips out there. He was singlehandedly supporting an av-gas employee.
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