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    Unhappy Shame on you snowmachiners!

    I hiked Turnagain Pass and up through the mountains looking for black bear and was appalled at the amount of trash that I came across. Unfortunately it was definately from the snowmachiners. I saw hundreds of beer cans, multiple quart and gallon 2 stroke oil containers, broken belts, windshields, throttles, soda bottles, and much more. My buddy and I didn't see any black bears (it was HOT) and at one point I was trying to find beer cans (they were very reflective and easy to find) and see if I could guess what brand they were by their color.
    Don't get me wrong, in NO WAY am I a do-gooder bunny humper, but what I saw was offensive. I snowmachine too, but I haven't ever rode or hiked in Turnagain until this past weekend. I do realize that most people on this forum are responsible and probably aren't the one's trashing-up riding areas. I just want to get the word out to pack out what you pack in and remind your buddies to do the same. I doubt the non-motorized side of the pass looked like this! A zealous greenie would have excellent material to document and make waves about slob riders and snowmachiners.

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    Did you pick some of it up?

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    Cool Nope..

    Initially I thought I'd take pick some up on the way out, but I couldn't possibly carry it all. Plus, like I said, I'm no greenie. I'll pack out what I pack in, but I'm not going to pick up after everyone else.

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    If you didnt at least pack any of the trash out, then why the hell would you go through the effort to complain about it on this forum. I guarantee that you could have packed out a hundred pounds of trash, since you didnt have any luck in killing a black bear. If I had a pack frame (which I do when I black bear hunt) I could pack an enormous amount of anything. Shame on you for not doing the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man Jack View Post
    If you didnt at least pack any of the trash out, then why the hell would you go through the effort to complain about it on this forum. I guarantee that you could have packed out a hundred pounds of trash, since you didnt have any luck in killing a black bear. If I had a pack frame (which I do when I black bear hunt) I could pack an enormous amount of anything. Shame on you for not doing the right thing.
    ***? Am I your mother? Where do you live? Close to Turnagain? Do you snowmachine there? Get your *ss down there and pack some trash if you want. Like I said, I take out what I take in. I'm not pickin' up after you.

    I just want to get the word out so maybe the fellas using the area (this was my FIRST TIME in the area) will police themselves before the greenies get down there. They'd have a field day making a case that snowmachiners are useless pigs. My FIRST IMPRESSION as a newby to that area is that snowmachiners that use the area are pieces of *hit and don't give a da*n about the areas they use. Just tryin' to get the word out. Do I need to wipe your *ss too since you expect me to pick up after others?

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    As a matter of fact I do use the area and am one of those responsible individuals that cleans up after myself. I just think its kind of redundant of you to *itch about people littering if you dont even care to pick up a bit. It doesnt matter if youve only been there once or a million times, if you love Alaska, then you should do your part also.
    Now, since you didnt pick up the trash, a greenie, can report it. Im not ragging on you specifically Tim, Im just trying to get a point acrossed. There are always going to be worthless dirtbags out there no matter what we try to say or do. If you see trash and you do not like it there, then pick it up. The dirtbags do not care what you think.
    Thanks for informing everyone about the trash that is still there.
    Where do you ride, Tim?

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    Yea, I realize complaining here probably doesn't do much good, as most people on the forum are repsponsible and wouldn't do that kind of stuff. You have to realize it was discouraging to see that much trash. Like I said, at first I thought I'd grab some stuff on the way out (instead of packing it up the hill too), but there was just too much and I didn't really want to have to put every piece of trash I found in my pack bag. If I had a garbage bag and was prepared to pick it up it would have been easier and I could have tied it to the outside of my pack.

    I mostly ride in Eureka, although I haven't hiked or ATV'd out of Eureka in the summer-maybe it looks the same!

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    It's not just snowmachiners, it most people.
    I found 12 lead acid vehicle batteries the other night dumped next to a beautiful little pond.

    Trash is everywhere I go; lakes, shooting ranges, trails, mountains, you name it.

    It's getting real bad around Delta.

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    I've seen trash outdoors I didn't pick up, as have we all. Yes, I/we could have picked it up. I'll admit that I don't always, or haven't always, but I do now, and will continue to do so in the future. I never go camping without a garbadge bag anymore. No, I can't get it all, but I can do my part. No, I'm not going to pack out 100 lbs of trash. Thats crazy talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man Jack View Post
    If you didnt at least pack any of the trash out, then why the hell would you go through the effort to complain about it on this forum......
    Why not?

    Can't you catch the clue?

    ....I guarantee that you could have packed out a hundred pounds of trash, since you didnt have any luck in killing a black bear...
    Yeah. The b******d. He walked up looking for a bear, and didn't have the moral fortitude to pack out other people's garbage.

    Hang 'em.......

    ...If I had a pack frame (which I do when I black bear hunt) I could pack an enormous amount of anything. Shame on you for not doing the right thing.
    Yeah. The shame of it all !

    He shouldn't complain about the garbage left behind by others !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man Jack View Post
    As a matter of fact I do use the area and am one of those responsible individuals that cleans up after myself.....
    Do you clean after others like you assume others should be required to do before complaining?

    ....I just think its kind of redundant of you to *itch about people littering if you dont even care to pick up a bit....
    And some might think it's "itchy" to be so "itchy" about the obvious problem out there.

    .....It doesnt matter if youve only been there once or a million times, if you love Alaska, then you should do your part also....
    That should include those who only use the place "a million times".

    ...Now, since you didnt pick up the trash, a greenie, can report it...
    Here's the clue, Sherlock:

    They will. They'll use it to the maximum benefit.

    Sorry you didn't catch the clue yet. Real sorry..........

    ...Im not ragging on you specifically Tim, Im just trying to get a point acrossed. There are always going to be worthless dirtbags out there no matter what we try to say or do. If you see trash and you do not like it there, then pick it up. The dirtbags do not care what you think.
    Here's the "point":

    The "enemy" is using the "dirtbags" against you more efficiently than "Tim"........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man Jack View Post
    If you see trash and you do not like it there, then pick it up. The dirtbags do not care what you think.
    Thanks for informing everyone about the trash that is still there.
    So would you pick up everyone elses garbage? Are you that good of a guy that you would use your pack to carry out 10, 20, 30 pounds of trash?

    This spring I found four bear bait stations that just had garbage all over the place. Did I pick up the trash? Heck no. Will I be contacting troopers and escorting them to the offending sites? Oh yeah. What we need everywhere is more enforcement. On the mountain, in the woods, and on the roads. People need to realize that the world isn't their dumpster, and they can't realize that by me or anyone else picking up after them. It might take closing down some areas to snowmachiners until they can get their act together. We know that what's happening now is not working, so what are WE going to do to fix it? Individuals can't do a thing, it's gonig to be an all or nothing kind of deal.

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    Tim, I doubt many people appreciate being grouped together with all the other scumbags. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man Jack View Post
    If you didnt at least pack any of the trash out, then why the hell would you go through the effort to complain about it on this forum. I guarantee that you could have packed out a hundred pounds of trash, since you didnt have any luck in killing a black bear. If I had a pack frame (which I do when I black bear hunt) I could pack an enormous amount of anything. Shame on you for not doing the right thing.
    Maybe you should think about focusing your frustration and attention on the scumbags themselves and not the reporter... Just a thought.

    Glad to see that you set the example of how to conduct yourself in the forests of Alaska, but to expect everyone to always pick up after everyone else is a little unrealistic.

    Last weekend I witnessed someone drinking a beer on a trailhead and when he was finished, he smashed the can and put it in his backpack. I watched him to make sure he didn't chuck it in the brush. That was one can I would have picked up. If there were dozens, I would not have picked all of them up...

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    It's only called trash today. In a hundred years it will be called artifacts and people will be collecting it like they do with the miners trash from the early 1900s.

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    I'm still new to the state, but very surprised with the amount of garbage/litter I see. The road sides are full of litter and you can't go anywhere without finding a bunch of garbage. I've noticed a bunch of vehicle batteries by lakes, on the side of the highway, on the side of the city streets (what's with the dumping of batteries?). Beer cans everywhere, bait containers everywhere, etc etc. Saw a bunch of guys burning a couch in the mountains up by Sutton a few weekends ago. Guess what the metal frame, springs, and other parts of the couch didn't burn. Seems like there is very little respect for the land amongst some. I've lived in a lot of different areas and the only place that is worse are the indian reservations in the Western U.S. If anyone has lived in these areas you know what I'm talking about.

    I ride my snowmachine up at Turnagain and there is no shortage of idiots up there. Surprised that more people don't die riding up there. Don't get me wrong, lots of great folks and many more good than bad. Just the few bad have a way of overshadowing the good guys. And the cross country ski side might have less garbage, but it doesn't see a fraction of the recreation as the snowmobile side and doesn't bring as much joy to the public. Anyway, clean up after yourself and when your buddy throws some litter on the ground have the balls to ask him to pick it up.

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    Default Picking up trash

    The shame is the man who does nothing, because of what little he feels that he can do.

    I pick up hundred's of pounds of trash every year while out.

    The Knik boat launch is always trashed. Should we let the wind blow it away?

    Lets change the law when we video a person throwing thier cigarette we get half of the $1000.00 fine this would start us policing ourselves.

    Your mom wiped your bum and we will always need to wipe someones bum so grab a little trash on the way out.

    DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND DON"T COMPLAIN.

    We have all dropped some trash now we need to pitch in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaskamokaiman View Post
    The shame is the man who does nothing, because of what little he feels that he can do.

    I pick up hundred's of pounds of trash every year while out.

    The Knik boat launch is always trashed. Should we let the wind blow it away?

    Lets change the law when we video a person throwing thier cigarette we get half of the $1000.00 fine this would start us policing ourselves.

    Your mom wiped your bum and we will always need to wipe someones bum so grab a little trash on the way out.

    DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND DON"T COMPLAIN.

    We have all dropped some trash now we need to pitch in.
    Living in Bristol bay, I still see more trash than i can comprehend....and we're 40 years behind the areas discussed here. I pick up all I can...usually on the way out and take a trash bag as some have stated here. I am lucky enough to be making a difference since it hasn't piled up as much here but believe me, you can all make a difference. Start with yourselves...and then pick a few pieces up. If everyone does it, it will improve. I've lived, fished and hunted all over the lower 48 and believe me, Alaska is the LAST place that has a chance to be anywhere near pristine...and it's up to all of us to help make a difference. To turn a blind eye and say "It's not my problem" is a cop out and pure Americana bullsh**, think about others, think about the future and stop focusing on your selfish selves.

    Sheesh, are we adults here or what?

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    SOME snowmachiners are pigs. SOME fisherman are pigs. SOME hunters are pigs. Not ALL of any user groups are pigs.

    I always try to leave an area cleaner than I found it. That isn't limited to any one activity. I can only assume the next guy might appreciate my efforts.

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    I was out fishing today and this post came to mind. Instead of just doing my regular quick clean up around the truck when i was done, I filled a whole action packer with trash. Only took a few minuets. I think I will try and make it a habit, its the least I can do to protect the places I love.

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