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    I'm military and I have ice fished JBER every year, but this year I was surprised to find out that I had to pay in order to get an iSportsman pass to ice fish. Correct em if I'm wrong, but I thought I was not supposed to be charged to fish a lake that is stocked by ADFG. Do I remember that correctly? Did I just make that up?

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    You gotta be kidding me??? We keep getting screwed and lose more and more benefits each day.


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    You are correct you have to pay for the isportsman pass. It doesn't matter if you want to fish,hunt, cut down a Christmas or just go for a walk or whatever.

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    Have to pay to park at State recreation areas. Par for the course.

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    you are correct on the pass, an it cost $10.00 for most people , for a year [Jan to Dec] no discount senior's are less , do you think State fish an game should look at the way it is being handled ? it is out tax money to grow the fish an then it cost to fish for them, but remember they are in control an it is there game as I see it, it is a way to get money into there program , just like F&G with permits to hunt it goes to there program an not
    into the general fund, it is a way to get money they think they need an by pass the normal way of money they get SID

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    Glass half full or completely empty. Not tying to start a fight but I do not believe at any time any of were guaranteed in any contract i.e. active duty, retired and or ANG/ Reservist that we were promised free hunting and fishing on Military installations. In fact there are many were you do not even get to attempt to hunt and or fish and it is definitely not a benefit it is a privilege so if you would please lighten up on the Conspiracy Theory of things are benefits which in this case is not a benefit nor an entitlement. Sure Sorta Sucks backside but hey beats sweating in the desert!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sid View Post
    you are correct on the pass, an it cost $10.00 for most people , for a year [Jan to Dec] no discount senior's are less , do you think State fish an game should look at the way it is being handled ? it is out tax money to grow the fish an then it cost to fish for them, but remember they are in control an it is there game as I see it, it is a way to get money into there program , just like F&G with permits to hunt it goes to there program an not
    into the general fund, it is a way to get money they think they need an by pass the normal way of money they get SID
    This has nothing to do with Fish and Game. This is a recreational access pass, for all recreational uses. It just happens that fishing falls into that category. The program is federal and administered through the base. If you look at the FAQ, you will see it is a way to meet their guidelines of the recreational programs paying for themselves.

    I agree with these things. Pay to play. I wish more things were like this, where the users who want to play are the ones paying to support it. Clearly, it doesn't work for all situations, but things like this make sense, at least in my opinion.

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    There may be a question as to legality of charging an access fee to fish for stocked fish. I believe Fish and Game has a provision in their stocking program that they will only stock a place that has a free public access. Otherwise, anyone with sole access to a body of water could use publicly funded stocked fish to earn income from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willphish4food View Post
    There may be a question as to legality of charging an access fee to fish for stocked fish. I believe Fish and Game has a provision in their stocking program that they will only stock a place that has a free public access. Otherwise, anyone with sole access to a body of water could use publicly funded stocked fish to earn income from.
    You hit the nail on the head. You mean like this guy http://www.fishdenali.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishGod View Post
    You hit the nail on the head. You mean like this guy http://www.fishdenali.com/
    Are his lakes stocked by ADF&G? I haven't found a reference to that to know for sure. Sounds like they do their own feeding of the fish and only allow catch and release to keep the fish numbers up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    Are his lakes stocked by ADF&G? I haven't found a reference to that to know for sure. Sounds like they do their own feeding of the fish and only allow catch and release to keep the fish numbers up.
    ADFG stocked his ponds at some point in time or someone (likely illegally) transferred those fish. They didn't swim there on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    Are his lakes stocked by ADF&G? I haven't found a reference to that to know for sure. Sounds like they do their own feeding of the fish and only allow catch and release to keep the fish numbers up.
    Yeah, ADF&G stocked that lake years ago with an agreement from the owner to allow public access. The owner a year after stocking backed out of the agreement and denied public access. Now he charges people to catch these fish. I've called ADF&G in Fairbanks to confirm. Below is an excerpt from their webpage. http://www.adventuredenali.com/ click on the Fish Alaska article.

    The lake, now known as Chavey Lake, already had an excellent number of native Arctic grayling when he bought it 18 years ago, but the fishing was quite poor. Soon, however, he began to wonder if rainbow trout would survive if he planted them in the lakes. So, over a four-year period, 18 years ago, the Alaska Department of Fish & Game stocked the lake with 6- to 8-inch trout. Thanks to habitat enhancement, a feeding program and catch-and-release practices, both the rainbows and the native grayling are now flourishing. The middle lake was not deemed suitable for stocking at the time, and the two different lake levels kept the fish enclosed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willphish4food View Post
    There may be a question as to legality of charging an access fee to fish for stocked fish. I believe Fish and Game has a provision in their stocking program that they will only stock a place that has a free public access. Otherwise, anyone with sole access to a body of water could use publicly funded stocked fish to earn income from.
    This is exactly what I was referring to. I wonder if that's a real provision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iusckeeper View Post
    This is exactly what I was referring to. I wonder if that's a real provision.
    My understanding is they will not stock a lake the public cannot access.
    Not so sure on the payment part???
    Several lakes they stock require paid parking or a day use parking pass for your vehicle.
    Guess you could walk/bicycle into those though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kasilofchrisn View Post
    My understanding is they will not stock a lake the public cannot access.
    Not so sure on the payment part???
    Several lakes they stock require paid parking or a day use parking pass for your vehicle.
    Guess you could walk/bicycle into those though.
    You're right. I just read the stocking policy and public access is a must. I guess the public can pay and then access... but at what point is the fee unreasonable and preventing access?

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    Yeah I would think someone should call ADF&G to see what they think.
    With some lakes you could walk in instead of paying to park.
    But these on base lakes where you must pay for access is questionable to me for sure.

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    Its a toll at the gate not a toll to fish. If you're not escorted by a military member then they say you have to have a pass to access. If DOT made a toll road on the only route to a lake would you be saying foul as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbo View Post
    Its a toll at the gate not a toll to fish. If you're not escorted by a military member then they say you have to have a pass to access. If DOT made a toll road on the only route to a lake would you be saying foul as well.
    To me the question is this:
    Can the general public,without special privileges granted, access the lake(s) in some form or fashion without paying a fee?
    If the answer is no then it doesn't meet the letter of the law as I see it.
    In other words the military base is receiving money for fish that were stocked by ADF&G using public $$.
    And that also means there is no public access to these fish. It is pay to play!
    I would be ok with the toll road theory if the general public could get in to the lake somehow with our paying a fee.
    Aka hike/bike in for free but pay a toll for your vehicle.
    But as it currently stands I would not be allowed to access this lake in any form or fashion whatsoever with out paying said fee at the gate correct?
    That's violates the intent of the law as written.
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    don't get me wrong but where are the fish tanks ??? on FT RICH no question on the POST, but the POST RD section is it on the AIR Base or off ??
    it looks to me on the map it is on the BASE , there could be an agreement there we don't know about , an don't get me wrong I don't like it
    but it is there land they can do as they want on there land just like the natives do for the use of there land , just a question
    just like the fall Moose hunt what is the cost after you get the drawing ?????? it is there land they contro, SID

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sid View Post
    don't get me wrong but where are the fish tanks ??? on FT RICH no question on the POST, but the POST RD section is it on the AIR Base or off ??
    it looks to me on the map it is on the BASE , there could be an agreement there we don't know about , an don't get me wrong I don't like it
    but it is there land they can do as they want on there land just like the natives do for the use of there land , just a question
    just like the fall Moose hunt what is the cost after you get the drawing ?????? it is there land they contro, SID
    I don't care that they charge for a pass to access the base for stuff.
    The question was/is this:
    The law says that ADF&G will not stock a lake that does not have public access.
    Does charging a fee for access violate the intent of said law?
    Should we allow ADF&G to stock lakes that we then have to pay to fish?
    As for native land I know Spirit lake here on the peninsula is stocked even though SNA owns all the land around it.
    But they are required to allow free access for the general public.
    When the road got bad basically blocking access ADF&G quit stocking it that year.
    So SNA fixed the road up.
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