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    Default 9MM NATO Use In S & W M & P Shield

    Winchester 124 Gr. NATO rounds. Stated muzzle velocity is 1140.
    Has anyone used this round in the M & P Shield? Tried to get Cabalas to exchange for 9MM Luger but, they would not go for it.

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    Same cartridge. Different name. 9mm Parabellum is another. Shoot it.
    I shot a crap load of white box W/W in Sig Mk25 and Beretta M9 and Beretta 92SF.
    Enjoy.

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    also called 9X19. Same stuff.

    What you don't want is 9mm K or Kurtz; 9x21, 9MM Largo....confusing stuff. Hope that helps.

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    Thanks for the info Allen

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    S&W says that if it meets SAMMI specs. it is authorized.
    To include +P loads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budman5 View Post
    S&W says that if it meets SAMMI specs. it is authorized.
    To include +P loads.
    I've shot quite a bit of Hornady Critical Defense +p bullets in my Shield with no issues whatsoever. Impressive little pistol that goes with me everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allen-ak View Post
    also called 9X19. Same stuff.

    What you don't want is 9mm K or Kurtz; 9x21, 9MM Largo....confusing stuff. Hope that helps.
    Also don't want 9mm Makarov, 9X18 . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by budman5 View Post
    S&W says that if it meets SAMMI specs. it is authorized.
    To include +P loads.
    That is the problem. Winchester said that their NATO rounds are not to SAMMI spec. They are loaded to NATO spec. So I would assume that if you shoot NATO rounds and the pistol is damaged you have a problem with warranty.

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    "I use this ammo for target shooting and practice drills for protection and home defense. This ammo has changed its velocity from 1185 to 1140 and seems to be slightly dirtier then previous lots. However, it is still very good practice ammo and still accurate for drills. "

    This is a quote from one of the users at Midway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan907 View Post
    That is the problem. Winchester said that their NATO rounds are not to SAMMI spec. They are loaded to NATO spec. So I would assume that if you shoot NATO rounds and the pistol is damaged you have a problem with warranty.
    9X19 pressure ratings.
    USA SAAMI = 35,000K psi.
    USA SAAMI +P = 36,000K psi.
    European C.I.P. = 34,080K psi.
    NATO = 36,500K psi.

    This same story plays out over and over with military ammo . . . bottom line if the ammo you are using doesn't match the stamping on the barrel it could batter your gun sooner and there may be warrantee issues but I'd not fear NATO in anything +p rated gun or gun that is used in a military application around the world.

    1920s ~ 30s ~ 40s European 9X19 used to be way hotter than even NATO now . . . but folks were far less litigious and safety adverse back then too.
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    My $.02, law enforcement today uses too small of caliber(wonder 9mms ?)! That's why so many shots in every gunfight today(my theory), can't remember this happening when the .45 ACP was popular? Doesn't anyone remember Jeff Cooper today, he's criticized a lot in todays world.
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