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    I watched a program on the Sportsman channel today. They were piling up the mule deer from amazing distances. In one scenario they were hunting from one hill top to another. The large mulie was on the move. The guy shot twice missing by a country mile. Then the mulie stopped and the exhibitionist killed it from a long long ways away.

    How many of you feel that it is OK to take shots like that. The distances by which he missed the first 2 shots was huge. It is my opinion that flinging lead at game that is going to produce a clean harvest only 33% of the time is nonsence. In this case his first two shots were clean misses. They very well could have landed on the mulie with less than a lethal out come. Wounded game animals running around in the woods because some jack ass was taking pot shots with the mindset that some times ya get lucky and some times you don't. To broadcast shows that condone this kind of irresponsible "hunting" irked me to the point of canceling the Sportsman channel frmnmy subscription.

    What do you guys think in regards?

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    I'm with ya, I'm tired of watching these clowns act like they just hit a crack pipe cause they just killed a white tail. I do enjoy shokey, and the gun history shows. There are a few on there that act like adults but the majority "IMO" are jack assess.

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    It's NOT OK with me.

    That sort of thing is not hunting, but a Stunt.

    If it were a predator, such as a wolf, Coyotes, it wouldn't bother me that there was a 33% chance.

    I don't have a high opinion of Hunters in general. They make a lot of shots that I consider unethical.

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    Shooting long range is for stationary targets. Things that can move on there own can easily turn a good shot into a bad hit by taking a single step while the bullet is on the way. Not sportsman like conduct. Certainly does not belong on a "sportsman" show

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    I agree with me esteemed colleagues, they are poor hunters on crack. I guess that is why the magnum calibers are so popular in areas where the longest shot is 100 yards. Bubba dreams of the day he can shoot 800 yards+ thanks to these tv shows.
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    I think those kind of extreme long-range shots while hunting are very unethical. There are far too many variables involved and the odds of losing an animal and/or causing unnecessary suffering are far too high.

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    100% agree, I watched a show where they are sniping in Africa - Wildebeast at 1200 yds and Blesbok at 850!! That is NOT hunting!
    I've seen shows for sheep (yes, some were in AK) where the dude doesn't even climb a mountain, he shoots it from the creek at 700+.
    Notice they seldom call out the range (audible) and they are whispering like the animal can hear them from another time zone!!

    If you have the time and money to invest in a $3000+ true long range rig, and attend the schools, etc, good for you, but to snipe an unwounded animal and call it "hunting"?

    BTW, When I went to Africa, Mountain Reedbuck was my #1 animal to hunt. I had a shot at 400 yds but refused (too far at an unwounded small animal who just won a fight on the adjacent ridge) We closed (stalked) to 225 but a cactus blocked the shot, so we stalked to 195, and one shot, DRT. That was HUNTING and my proudest moment from that trip. How proud would I be if I'd shot it a 600+ yards without exerting any effort other than a trigger squeeze??

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    The test for me is whether or not they walk over and spend the time needed to check for blood and hair at the point of the shot then do some tracking after a "miss." That's the mandatory requirement for anyone who takes a poke at game at any range.

    I'm yet to see a single one of the lazy SOBs follow up their misses. Yet I can't tell you how many times a "miss" of my own has turned out not to be a miss at lots closer range. I ALWAYS follow up a miss, as my grandpap taught me and his grandpap before him. It's a part of any hunter safety class I've even taught or sat in, too.

    I don't care how much they've spent on their guns and glass and how many months working up a load, if they're not hiking their hineys over to track the animal after a miss, they're slob hunters.

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    I remain singularly unimpressed by "long range hunting".

    What impresses me are trad bow hunters, guys who can close to 10-15 yds...truly impressive would be killing one with a bayonet.

    Long range shooting at targets is interesting and presents some unique challenges- but I draw the line at things that bleed.
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    Shooting at an unwounded animal at extreme distances is not hunting to me...nor is shooting an animal over bait or a water hole in a dry climate hunting to me. It's not what I do or have done, but others do it. Similarly, there are hunters who stalk free range animals with a long-bow, using arrows that they made...and some of them don't think hunting with a rifle is hunting (at any range).

    I've seen the TV shows you guys are referencing. I call them, "the shooting at animals at extreme ranges shows." Some of those shots are crazy-amazing, but as already and rightly said by others those shots are also extremely high risk for wounding the animal...and not something I would do. I do find the shots to be crazy-amazing because I'm obsessed with accuracy. I handload and customize my rifles like many of you, and I'm pretty good with a rifle like many of you. However, those extreme shots aren't shots I would take or have taken at an unwounded animal...but that's me. I did once shoot an unwounded black bear at 400 yards with a 257WBY...I was very confident in the shot, couldn't get closer, and the hold was solid...and he was DRT. It is the longest shot I have ever taken on an unwounded animal...but that's me.

    I'm with you guys regarding failure to check for blood when the shot is a "miss." Failure to check is totally unacceptable at any distance regardless of weapon. Last spring I almost took a several hundred foot fall down a super-steep and alder-choked mountain that I had climbed with difficulty to ensure that there was no blood from an escaping black bear after a friend of mine took several shots at close range...it was some of the worse shooting I have ever witnessed.

    Anyway, as long as people are following the law, I'll just shake my head at what I see and think to myself...not me.

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    I have always been a hundred yard or less hunter as gramps taught me and the Marines reaffirmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    I have always been a hundred yard or less hunter as gramps taught me and the Marines reaffirmed.
    Semper fi brother...my obsession with accuracy started when I was in the Marines, but I pushed it further out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmerkeithclone View Post

    How many of you feel that it is OK to take shots like that. The distances by which he missed the first 2 shots was huge. It is my opinion that flinging lead at game that is going to produce a clean harvest only 33% of the time is nonsence. In this case his first two shots were clean misses. They very well could have landed on the mulie with less than a lethal out come. ?
    To me, anybody in their right mind would know that the risk of wounding an animal at that range is extremely high. So what that tells me is that seeing that they take that shot, they simply don't care about wounding the animal. As you said, there's a good chance that slug could have ended up in the guts of that beautiful buck. And we all know how far a gut shot animal can run. In many instances it would take hours for the shooter to even get to where the animal was hit. By then how far away would that critter be?

    From my experience, "slob hunters" place very little value on the animals they "hunt"....it's all about making the shot and nothing about the animal. It's uncaring, and irresponsible if you ask me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hodgeman View Post
    I remain singularly unimpressed by "long range hunting".

    What impresses me are trad bow hunters, guys who can close to 10-15 yds...truly impressive would be killing one with a bayonet.

    Long range shooting at targets is interesting and presents some unique challenges- but I draw the line at things that bleed.
    I went on a hog hunt in Texas with a guy that hunted hogs with a spear. I flung arrows at mine, but he managed to stick two pigs in a week with a spear. Impressive.

    I had a client ("back in the day") that was Wimbledon/Camp Perry shooter.....kind of guy that would say that he felt his heart beat one extra beat and that added .01" to his group at 500yds. Truly impressive shooter...but wouldn't shoot at an animal over 300 yards. His reasoning: a) He could control everything (even heartbeat for the most part ) at the bench down to the proverbial gnat's behind, not so much in the field; b) animals weren't chasing him and there was no absolute need to shoot them; c) he went to the field to go hunting, not "shooting"; d) if he missed a target, he'd know about it and have an opportunity to rectify it, if not at that match, then next year; if he wounded an animal, while he'd bust his hump to get to it and get it down, he wasn't guaranteed second chance....he stated that wounding animals was "simply not good form."

    I think the shows that show long range shooting are more about firearms and optic technology than anything else....they are definitely not hunting shows. Put me in the "not ok" camp.

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    I have to admit I'm soured by a firsthand experience.

    Bud of mine is all gaga about long shooting, with over $3k tied up in a spectacular rifle and darned near that much in the custom glass on top. Some custom caliber like 338 Whizpooperzap or some such. I hunted with him once.

    He spotted a nice buck skylined on a ridge and lasered it at 640 yards. Clanked off a shot after much preparation, and the buck scooted over the ridge. He kept looking at his rifle and couldn't figure out how he missed. Went on his happy way to find another deer.

    I was unimpressed at that point and determined to follow up the shot. Spent an hour getting across the canyon and up onto the ridge. Found where the buck was standing and started to track. No sign of a hit right there. Got about 100 yards on the track and found a spot of blood. Found the buck piled up another 20 yards down the path.

    Bullet had failed to expand, hitting high up and far back on the lungs, actually only clipping one lung while missing the other.

    Boned the deer and got back to the truck about dark to find my bud waiting impatiently for me. The stupido actually was pi$$ed off and tried to claim the deer!

    Can't say I see much of that guy any more. Last I heard he's taken up golf.

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    It defines the people who are true hunters and the idiots that hunt IMO. If I take a shot I intend it to be somewhere inside the kill zone, not just somewhere on the animal...
    When asked how far one should shoot my reply is simple - as far as you are capable of hitting the kill zone 100 % of the time... Usually that's under 200 yards for the majority of hunters, and maybe under 400 for very experienced shooters that know their weapon... I am proud to say I have never lost a big game animal I have shot... Only missed one and it was because I had put the wrong weight bullet in a muzzleloader in the dark and went for a neck shot - bullet went way high...
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    Long Range Hunting is an Oxymoron!

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    I don't have a dog in this fight, but with all of this talk what is LR hunting? How far is too far? Is using anything more than your wit and your hands unsportsmanlike? Is 500 okay, but 501 just outside what is ethical? As technology has increased so has our effective range. I've a firm notion what my effective range is. I know it's much further than some can shoot effectively and much less than others. What someone else can do doesn't bother me too much, so long as they can do it. I've seen too many hunters miss/wound game to think that slobs only shoot at LR. I know from years of observation that 100 yards is too far for a lot of shooters to reliably hit their mark in many situations...

    I'm not much on any hunting shows as I perceive they're mostly about ego, in one form or another, and I see (have) enough of that without watching it on TV. I'd much rather let people do what they can, with what they want. Putting it on TV, whether it's at 14 feet or 1400 yards, seems to be about the same difference to me. I'm probably in the minority, but I've always thought that most of the hunting shows I've seen have about as much in common with hunting as pornography does sex. I don't watch the latter, and for many of the same reasons I can't stomach the former.
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    What was long range hunting to Fred Bear?
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