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    So it starts again!!!!

    PROPOSAL 69 - 5 AAC 92.080. Unlawful methods of taking game; exceptions
    . Prohibit hunting with domestic dogs as follows:
    5 AAC 92.080. Unlawful methods of taking game; exceptions.
    The use or accompaniment of domestic dogs is prohibited while hunting. Dogs used as service animals as defined under Title II and Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act are exempt if the hunter is in possession of a current official certificate of veterinary inspection for the service dog.
    What is the issue you would like the board to address and why? There is concern that domestic dogs will transmit diseases to Alaska's wildlife populations. The Department of Fish and Game has stated that Alaska's wild game populations are immunologically naive and wildlife disease specialists expect there to be profound impacts of climate change on animal and parasite distributions. Diseases, primarily transmitted through dog ticks, are serious and potentially deadly to Alaska's wildlife populations according to an ADF&G memo dated April 12, 2014. (see http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static species/disease/pdfs/dog_tick_memorandum.pdf)
    ADF&G states that the diseases of concern include Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, tularemia, canine ehrlichiosis, canine babesiosis, Lyme Disease, and Q-fever. Only tularemia and Q-fever are already present in Alaskan wildlife but others could be easily introduced by just a single tick biting an infected pet carrying the infection and passing it on to their next meal. ADF&G along with the Office of the State Veterinarian have detected an increasing incidence of dog ticks that are exotic to Alaska (that is Alaska is not part of the reported geographic range). Other diseases potentially transmitted by canines as identified on ADF&G's website include cystic hydatid disease, alveolar hydatid disease, sarcocystosis, and muscle tapeworm cysts.(see http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...se.diseaselist.)
    ADF&G states that dog ticks are competent vectors of disease (carriers able to transmit disease) and that tick-borne diseases in other animals will follow.
    I propose to prohibit the use of and/or accompaniment of domestic dogs while hunting.
    If this proposal doesn't pass, there will be an increased risk of disease transmission to Alaska's wildlife populations. If disease transmission occurs, it will have substantial economic and aesthetic impact. If this regulation is adopted, it could prevent mass die offs that could eliminate any harvestable surplus of big game and/or small game animal populations. This regulation will help to ensure long term population persistence and allow us to harvest according to the sustained yield principle, as well as enjoy the aesthetic benefits of having healthy Alaskan wildlife.
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    As an alternate solution, a health certification program for dogs was considered, but in many cases the specific microorganisms, diseases, and parasites responsible for these disease outbreaks are either undetectable at certain times of the year, or can persist at low levels in dogs, or in some cases parasites can be transmitted through feces. Also, ticks may leave the dog, cling to vegetation, and then through a behavior called "questing" attach themselves to a new host.
    PROPOSED BY: Guy Fulton (EG-C15-036) ************************************************** ****************************

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    Dumbasstic. Had to create a word for such stupidity.

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    I'm with Allen. Many of us take great care to make sure our little buddies are in top shape, hell, animals have a better chance of catching a cold from me than my pup. He is useless as a hunting dog, but it thee best hunting partner I have. He can find camp when I can't, he's a decent pillow and leg warmer as well. He's also good bear deterrent.
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    I guess that means that ALL dogs will no longer be allowed in the wilderness. Why just Hunting dogs. This is an easy one to beat.
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    Good thing my dog isn't domestic.
    Hunt Ethically. Respect the Environment.

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    Kinda funny how we don't do much to restrict peoples from other nations mixing with us - but pets - well that's not a good thing... Geez, I pay some hefty vet bills each year for my furry friends to be healthy...
    Are there really that many people hunting with dogs in Alaska? I don't think I have ever heard of it???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Kinda funny how we don't do much to restrict peoples from other nations mixing with us - but pets - well that's not a good thing... Geez, I pay some hefty vet bills each year for my furry friends to be healthy...
    Are there really that many people hunting with dogs in Alaska? I don't think I have ever heard of it???
    I agree, I would say there are more leaf lickers with dogs in tow out in the woods than there ever is hunting dogs. Just sayin
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    Anyone ever heard of "massive die offs" from doggie infections in the lower 48? Are dogs prevented from the field in any other states?
    Your sarcasm is way, waaaayyyyyyyy more sarcastic than mine!

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    What about bird dogs, sled dogs, etc? The prop says "game." I think there will be some issues with enforcement considering the laws governing ADA and service dogs. Try and enforce it, and they'll likely get their azz handed to them in civil court.

    I take my dogs occasionally, they're 100% under my control, and they have fun. They even get to pack meat occasionally.




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    So if I'm reading this correctly.....

    The woods get the ticks from the dogs and not the other way around???

    Who is this Guy guy anyway?

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    Believe what happened at Isle Royal in Michigan started this thinking. Of course it was not a hunting dog that was the cause.
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    The proposal is stupid.
    BUT……..Loose running dogs on the Kenai introduced dog lice to the wolves way back in the 80's, the effect to the wolf is NASTY and the situation is ongoing. Disease from domestic sheep and cattle have been id'ed as playing a major role in the demise of wild sheep and bison in the lower 48 so it is not ridiculous to consider these things.

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    Just in case this passes, I have started a training regiment with my next hunting partner. Our house cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by extrema View Post
    The proposal is stupid.
    BUT……..Loose running dogs on the Kenai introduced dog lice to the wolves way back in the 80's, the effect to the wolf is NASTY and the situation is ongoing. Disease from domestic sheep and cattle have been id'ed as playing a major role in the demise of wild sheep and bison in the lower 48 so it is not ridiculous to consider these things.
    Then it needs to apply to all dogs, for whatever activity. Somebody who duck hunts more than me, chime in, but wouldn't this proposal end duck hunting as we know it?
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    I think if there is a legitimate concern it would have to include all animals in the woods.
    Including dogs,cats,horses,mules etc.
    No more horse hunting either. Think of the diseases horses could pass on?
    How is it a hunting dog can pass diseases but one accompanying a hiker or one allowed to run free on my property ( or off in many cases)does not?
    I know this won't pass but
    It is irritating that it comes up each year.
    Which domestic animal kills the most wildlife worldwide? Answer = cats.
    That's right they kill more rabbits,hares,squirrels,grouse etc. thanks any other domestic animal.
    I support a ban on hunting with cats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by highestview View Post
    Then it needs to apply to all dogs, for whatever activity. Somebody who duck hunts more than me, chime in, but wouldn't this proposal end duck hunting as we know it?
    The proposal is stupid and any like proposal would be stupid as well. A better way to address the concern of dogs or any other domesticate from introducing detrimental invasive species (parasites/ticks/lice/disease etc) into the wild would be inoculation requirements.
    Perhaps this is the sort of thing that got Johnny Depp in deep dog doo in Australia? Inoculation requirements?

    Inoculation requirements is not a far-fetched notion, after all we already have laws aimed at rabies for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highestview View Post
    Then it needs to apply to all dogs, for whatever activity. Somebody who duck hunts more than me, chime in, but wouldn't this proposal end duck hunting as we know it?
    I duck hunt without a dog every year. So no it wouldn't end duck hunting.
    It would make many areas harder/impossible to hunt though.

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    Domestic animal diseases were largely blamed for the demise of California's mountain sheep. They were down to about 100 animals around 1995 and now are back up to only about 500 which is still really low considering the size and quality of their habitat.

    I don't think this is something that should be ignored but I suspect that there is room for compromise. This proposal looks too heavy handed to me and I don't like when regulations like this specifically target hunters.

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    Better get rid of dog mushing to, heaven forbid a dog get loose and infect some wild animal.

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    This is directed tward subsistence people who still use dog teams and finally killing off any Alaskan cultural values in having or owning dogs for such.
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