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    Default Seattle to anchorage ammo shipper?

    Can anyone tell me what shippers will ship large quantities of ammo?
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    Why not ask the shipper? Everything is based on weight and you may still be Governed by Canadian laws while doing so.

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    Most of the big name freight companies will; Lynden, PAF, Carlile (if you must), etc... Some will consolidate, some will not. Lynden is a no BS outfit and will get the job done, tho they might not be the cheapest quote on paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tboehm View Post
    Can anyone tell me what shippers will ship large quantities of ammo?
    What do you consider a large quantity? 100 lbs? 1,000 lbs? 10,000 lbs?
    Is transit time important? Faster is more expensive.
    Where is the FOB point? (From what location are you responsible for the shipping charges?) Will the supplier pay shipping to Seattle/Tacoma?
    Request a delivered to AK price from your supplier. If they do much business in AK they may already have a carrier of choice with a contracted rate.

    What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

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    The biggest catch of shipping by water is that there are a ton of regulations for hazmat materials shipping by sea that are not the same as by overland by truck. There are requirements for goods to be in original cases bearing identification of their haz mat classifications. You need to be a known shipper as well. Your best bet is to call any of the freight forwarders and talk to their hazmat expert. They will line you out.
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    My understanding is that ammo is not actually considered hazmat, as to the other question I probably have 750 pounds of ammunition.
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    Sorry, Ammunition and explosives aARE considered HAZMAT and have a Classification of 1. Ammo in general is classified as 1.4 HD.
    49 CFR 173, Shippers-General Requirements for Shipments and Packagings

    Shipping powder would fall inder 1.3 and in some cases 1.2HD. C-4 is classified as 1.1HD When shipping, you have to consider the net explosives weight and not the weight (NEW) of the shipment. NEW equals the total weight minus the casing and the bullet. So a shipment of ammo weight 100 pounds might only have an NEW of 20# for HAZMAT determination purposes.

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    Small arms ammunition = 1.4D
    http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...173.c&rgn=div6

    If properly packaged, and less than 66 pounds total gross weight, and:
    (B) Private or contract motor carrier; or
    (C) Common carrier in a vehicle under exclusive use for such service; and
    (iii) Transported to or from a manufacturer, a distribution center, or a retail outlet, or transported to a disposal facility from one offeror.
    I believe it is still permissible to ship under ORM-D. No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    Small arms ammunition = 1.4D
    http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...173.c&rgn=div6

    If properly packaged, and less than 66 pounds total gross weight, and:


    I believe it is still permissible to ship under ORM-D. No?
    http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...25.12&rgn=div8
    Dig up the over the water regs and you will see why it can be so difficult. Over the road is simple by comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKDoug View Post
    Dig up the over the water regs and you will see why it can be so difficult. Over the road is simple by comparison.
    No need to be a subject matter expert when there are companies who's business is shipping. I call Lynden and they deliver. Simple. The rest is just interesting conversation; chatting about rules and regs for the sake of chatting about rules and regs. Interesting sidebar: Last shipment, I paid the barge rate but they opted to stick it on a truck, "space a" through Canada, and I received it in just a couple days.
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    Absolutely correct, and it's a simple process if coming from an ammunition re-seller or wholesaler. Shipping your private supply, especially if not in original cases, can be quite problematic.
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