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    Exclamation Hang on, here we go again...

    I'm sure most of you are aware an evil, racist, deranged monster shot and killed a bunch of folks at a church recently. I expect this to be a catalyst for the national politicians to pass gun laws restricting a bunch of stuff. So you might want to take inventory of what pistols and rifles hold over 10 rounds and whether you have enough magazines.

    The current president and his political buddies want a different America. They will make sure they and their families are protected, but they expect you to let the police protect you 24/7 no matter where you are and what the circumstance. Which is a bunch of crock. In 25 years of dealing with arresting officers an prisoners, I never talked to any one that had a policeman available to protect them when violence came their way. Never, not once.

    His time in office is short and he will use this for more restrictive gun laws, as will Hillary when she is elected. The NRA and a couple of other organizations are the only ones with any real influence for slowing down the nonsense. Something to think about when you vote next time. Unfortunately a big majority of voters vote their pocket book.

    I hope and pray the day never comes to America when we can't and don't have quick access to proven protection methods. I think I will go to the range.

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    The police have no duty to protect. They may as individuals feel a sense of obligation to protect and may try to protect people, but by law they are not duty bound or employed to be security guards or protectors. They are law enforcement. In order to do so, they attempt to stop crime if possible, but more often are there to enforce the law after the crime has been committed. See Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 US 748, SCOTUS.

    It is your personal responsibility to protect yourself. Every day, those who prefer a controlled citizenry are at war with our rights to take them away and enforce greater control over our lives. And that will never stop.

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    The word police means to clean up as in arrest the bad guy after the fact. Mobius is correct. The police have no duty to protect. .338Mag is also correct. I think we have reached the point where there are more voters voting for a handout from another's labor than are willing to earn their own way in life. I sure wish more working folks would go to the polls. Our last mayors election was less than 30% turn out meaning our mayor was elected with about 16/17% of the registered voters. Apathy may bury this country.

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    Didn't mean to leave you out as you have a valid point as well but this will be difficult to do as the Oligarchy is buying votes with our tax money. There are to many people willing to vote for the guy offering the biggest handout and not enough folks willing to take care of their problems on their own.

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    When Hilary's mug comes on the TV I'm in a mad scramble to find the remote. However the other day I was redoing a 10/22 trigger and had my hands full of gun parts and dared not turn loose of them when Hilary's face appeared on the screen. It was in regards to the church shooting. She made a statement to the effect of I will not stand by and watch this kind of gun violence happen(not exact wording but the jest of it). Really! A ringside seat during the whole Benghazi slaughter with the power to stop it.....but did not. Now she want's to be a hero? She has already failed the biggest test that has ever been placed before her and failed it miserably.

    rbuck, all of the people who are still willing to take care of their problems on their own my have to band together and deal with the real problem which is Oligarchy...........

    We took em by storm last November, the voters were heard loud and clear.........then what? Obama flips em all the bird and shoves his immigration bill right down their throats. Now we have thousands crossing our borders every day looking for a piece of the handout. Those same folks crossing the borders will vote for more handouts and that means Hilary. Yet all of those Republicans who were sworn into office because the change we got is not the change we wanted are doing nothing! It's enough to drive a feller into the bush for good!



    Dylann Roof's actions are abhorred by the entire country as they should be and his life is pretty much done, as it should be. Hilary on the other hand makes a run for the highest office in the country........Oligarchy at it's finest! They are birds of a feather if you ask me. One of them committed murder and the other watched as murder was being committed and could have stopped it but didn't. Is one that much worse than the other?

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    My fear is not that there will be an armed insurrection against the powers that be. My fear is that the republic we live in will crumble slowly with more whimper and less fanfare. I do not in any way advocate violence or armed revolution. I want to make that clear. The ballot box is our battlefield, but the war wages in the classrooms and media rooms everyday. People talk about a coming civil war in hushed tones and with their friends, but to me, we are in a civil war. This one happens to be fought in the minds of people and in the minds of the youth. No weapons are needed here. We are losing our children to the collective mindset and to the mantra of let the government tell you how to live for your own good. I wonder is it already too late?

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    Yes, the real battle is at the ballot box as it should be. The question is how do we get our troops to the ballot box. Their side has the gimmie people that sell their vote for a handout. They WILL show up to vote for more largess, The media spouts their agenda, and they even have a bunch of so called conservative congressmen that are buying votes with our taxes. If we can't get our team to the ballot box, we will lose in the end. Gimmie and apathy will destroy this country as surely as a king. Oligarchy is just a short step from a king.

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    This is where I converted from optimist to pessimist slightly in 2010, but full blown in 2012. How do we get the troops out? Forgive me for sounding depressed, but I personally believe it doesn't matter anymore. I would LOVE to be wrong here, btw. When it comes to the eventual downfall of a democratic civilization, the tipping point happens when the voting public exceeds 50% of the people receiving money in welfare and goods/services from the government while not contributing to the revenues of the government. Once you hit that magic 50% number, the population voting for handouts and gimmies exceeds the population that can vote to stop them. In 2010 according to the census 47% of the population had zero federal tax liability. Meaning that they owed nothing to the government, but still received benefits in the form of welfare and other goods an services. Then in 2012, Santa Claus won the presidential election. Remember Romney's infamous 47% quip that the media turned into a divisive position. What he was saying is that 47% of the people don't pay federal taxes so he needed to figure out how to help out the 53% that did contribute. I believe that by 2012, we had surpassed that 50% tipping point. With average household incomes declining and more people not working than ever before, we are past the point of no return. We are now a European style socialist country and speeding full throttle (and even pressing the nitrous button) toward full blown communism. And to be frank, uninformed voters are gleefully clapping in the back seat. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

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    Mobius is spot on unfortunately, our very belief in freedom for all allows the majority to vote and control our destiny. If the majority end up being ones who believe we should not have firearms, or rights, than the system is designed to endorse that. No easy answers here for sure but we are in a mess that appears will eventually end what made the US great...
    Sadly 9 innocent people die at the hands of a mad killer. But, freedom has costs, freedom does not guarantee safety, 9 deaths pales in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of brave enlisted men and women that have gave their lives for freedom, and the media and general public do not often recognize that...The price of freedom is often paid for here at home, not on a distant battlefield.
    We are in a very slow death spiral in the US and it seems unstoppable...
    When asked what state I live in I say "The State of Confusion", better known as IL....

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    You win at the ballot box buy summoning the troops. Talk with your neighbors, relatives, friends, and colleagues and stress the importance of voting.

    You win by educating those you know. I have close friends who all thought that an "assault rifle" was an automatic military weapon. They all wanted it banned. When I explained what it was, they were embarrassed and agreed that is nothing to worry about much less legislate.

    I have family members who thought a "pre-existing condition", from a health insurance perspective, meant that you were precluded from coverage for health issues before your current insurer's coverage. I allayed their fears and explained to them that was not the case.

    There are a myriad of neighbors, friends, family, and colleagues who are completely ignorant about what goes on in the world around them. We're losing the battle and it is incumbent upon us to do what we can to educate those in our lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobius View Post
    This is where I converted from optimist to pessimist slightly in 2010, but full blown in 2012. How do we get the troops out? Forgive me for sounding depressed, but I personally believe it doesn't matter anymore. I would LOVE to be wrong here, btw. When it comes to the eventual downfall of a democratic civilization, the tipping point happens when the voting public exceeds 50% of the people receiving money in welfare and goods/services from the government while not contributing to the revenues of the government. Once you hit that magic 50% number, the population voting for handouts and gimmies exceeds the population that can vote to stop them. In 2010 according to the census 47% of the population had zero federal tax liability. Meaning that they owed nothing to the government, but still received benefits in the form of welfare and other goods an services. Then in 2012, Santa Claus won the presidential election. Remember Romney's infamous 47% quip that the media turned into a divisive position. What he was saying is that 47% of the people don't pay federal taxes so he needed to figure out how to help out the 53% that did contribute. I believe that by 2012, we had surpassed that 50% tipping point. With average household incomes declining and more people not working than ever before, we are past the point of no return. We are now a European style socialist country and speeding full throttle (and even pressing the nitrous button) toward full blown communism. And to be frank, uninformed voters are gleefully clapping in the back seat. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.
    Mobius, I am not suggesting that we take it to them.......but what happens when they bring it to us? The minute we are disarmed....then what?

    I saw a big article on Weather.com that warned that climate change will bring with it plagues and pestilence. Al Gore proved that scientists will pretty much say what they are paid to say(we haven't heard much from Al since he got his tit in a ringer over that deal have we?). All of the plagues and pestilence I've ever read about were either at the hands of God against evil dictators or at the hands of evil dictators against innocent people. Climate Change, EPA, The Media etc. are all man made entities that are pawns, bishops and rooks in the world's Oligarchy chess game.

    I found irony in the fact the our NBC affiliate on the screen in front of me mentioned that we are in the midst of a baby boom while the notebook in my lap has weather.com(and associated links) talking about plagues and pestilence that could greatly reduce the number of people. I've seen pictures of a warehouse in K.C.,MO that is owned by the government and is full of 200k plastic coffins. That warehouse has come into being during the current administration's tenure. People all over our country are building bunkers. It has all happened soooo fast that it really makes one wonder what this world will look like in a few years. Scary times for sure.

    Mobius, I share your pessimism or is it obvious? Ha!

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    I have been on this soap box since the mid seventies with seemingly no effect. Watching the number of non workers climb, and wondering where the magic number is that pushes us down a no return chute. There is normally only 50 to 60% of the voters that show up. What side are the non voters on? I keep hoping the next assault on our rights will bring enough conservatives out to break this spiral. My hope is fading.

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    This might be too hot button today, but it comes to mind. With the most recent rulings by SCOTUS combined, we have learned that the rule of law is 100% subjective to the whims of few. SCOTUS is re-writing laws rather than ruling on them based on their wording. If the laws as written are subjective rather than objective, there is little hope that any of the laws we have now or will have will be held up and followed. When the administrative office can blatantly ignore the rule of law and SCOTUS follows along with approval, where can we go from that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmerkeithclone View Post
    Mobius, I am not suggesting that we take it to them.......but what happens when they bring it to us? The minute we are disarmed....then what?

    I saw a big article on Weather.com that warned that climate change will bring with it plagues and pestilence. Al Gore proved that scientists will pretty much say what they are paid to say(we haven't heard much from Al since he got his tit in a ringer over that deal have we?). All of the plagues and pestilence I've ever read about were either at the hands of God against evil dictators or at the hands of evil dictators against innocent people. Climate Change, EPA, The Media etc. are all man made entities that are pawns, bishops and rooks in the world's Oligarchy chess game.

    I found irony in the fact the our NBC affiliate on the screen in front of me mentioned that we are in the midst of a baby boom while the notebook in my lap has weather.com(and associated links) talking about plagues and pestilence that could greatly reduce the number of people. I've seen pictures of a warehouse in K.C.,MO that is owned by the government and is full of 200k plastic coffins. That warehouse has come into being during the current administration's tenure. People all over our country are building bunkers. It has all happened soooo fast that it really makes one wonder what this world will look like in a few years. Scary times for sure.

    Mobius, I share your pessimism or is it obvious? Ha!
    In regard to those coffins, a friend of mine works for a county clean water services agency and owns a 12 acre farm as well - Recently he was killing time in the office and fell upon a map he didn't know existed - It had HIS property clearly labeled as a FEMA burial site ...... this is not a "story", I know this guy well

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    Quote Originally Posted by .338 mag. View Post
    Hang on, here we go again...
    ...with another ridiculous anti-gubmn't conspiracy thread.
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    Blame govt because DEMS are in White House.

    Carte Blanche rest of the time.

    Conservative ostrichism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike h View Post
    Blame govt because DEMS are in White House.

    Carte Blanche rest of the time.

    Conservative ostrichism.
    ...demonstrate inability to to understand and follow basic rules of behavior.

    What kinds of discussion are permitted?
    1) We allow Alaska outdoors-related discussions and information only...
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    ...with another ridiculous anti-gubmn't conspiracy thread.
    Yup...here we go again...


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    i was expecting it to turn out to a "go out and buy all the powder/bullets/magazines on the shelves" kind of thread...let the hoarding begin
    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    ...with another ridiculous anti-gubmn't conspiracy thread.

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