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    I was trying to find Kenai King fish counts from around 2000. For all fish counts for other runs and rivers you an chose a number of years to compare. Kenai Kings only shows from 2013 to this year. Even Kenai Sockeyes show back to 1979. What's up with the Kenai King counts???

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    Kings were booming in early 2000's
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    They don't show it, because they don't want you to know how truly bad it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ysr_racer View Post
    They don't show it, because they don't want you to know how truly bad it is now.
    there is probably more truth then not in that statement……..especially since all state offices and federal offices love to maintain records on things that were around before dirt was created! Or maybe its because sonar swap……..who knows?!

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    In the 22 returns between 1988 and 2009, the Kenai king count thru June 30 averaged 16K.

    2000 was hardly a MEGA run, but it sure beat what we've seen the past 5 years.

    May
    16 = 18
    17 = 49
    18 = 54
    19 = 84
    20 = 64
    21 = 84
    22 = 123
    22 = 132
    24 = 147
    25 = 234
    26 = 186
    27 = 177
    28 = 84
    29 = 204
    30 = 105
    31 = 117

    June
    1 = 192
    2 = 250
    3 = 279
    4 = 266
    5 = 139
    6 = 186
    7 = 237
    8 = 108
    9 = 135
    10 = 207
    11 = 315
    12 = 165
    13 = 337
    14 = 309
    15 = 571
    16 = 441
    17 = 765
    18 = 591
    19 = 348
    20 = 320
    21 = 522
    22 = 456
    23 = 462
    24 = 406
    25 = 186
    26 = 359
    27 = 615
    28 = 489
    29 = 516
    30 = 441

    2000 Total = 12477
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenaibow fan View Post
    there is probably more truth then not in that statement……..especially since all state offices and federal offices love to maintain records on things that were around before dirt was created! Or maybe its because sonar swap……..who knows?!
    I love to bash the government as much as the next guy but a few years ago they posted a disclaimer about removing the historical data due to sonar changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limon32 View Post
    I love to bash the government as much as the next guy but a few years ago they posted a disclaimer about removing the historical data due to sonar changes.
    I figured as much, but you never know…….. Don't worry Doc in 4 or 5 years you will see a spike……….unless they keep this up. Wouldn't hurt my feelings. I would love to see if they get any 5 or 6 year ocean fish back. I haven't heard of any in a long time…….any one else hear of anything?

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    Thanks Doc - That's what I remembered. We started coming up in 2000 for Silvers and Kings were all an phone talked about. Sure hope money doesn't Trump good sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenaibow fan View Post
    I figured as much, but you never know…….. Don't worry Doc in 4 or 5 years you will see a spike……….unless they keep this up. Wouldn't hurt my feelings. I would love to see if they get any 5 or 6 year ocean fish back. I haven't heard of any in a long time…….any one else hear of anything?
    A couple years back I saw two that had to be 50 plus landed and bonked within 20 minutes of each other and one more an hour or so later that I watched the research boat net that they weighed at 46. I don't know what size fish typically constitutes 5-6 year returners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limon32 View Post
    I don't know, what size fish typically constitutes 5-6 year returners?
    5-6 yr olds are 1.3's (3-ocean) and 1.4's (4-ocean). LOTS of difference in size between ER3-o and ER4-o fish... with the 3-o's averaging 20-25 pounds and 4-o's averaging 35-40 pounds. But the largest 4-o's can also reach 60-70 pounds PLUS!

    There's much more overlap in the size of ER4-o and ER5-o.... the 5-o fish don't get much bigger than the biggest 4-o fish. The biggest difference is that the 5-o hens as a group are packing more eggs than their 4-o siblings.

    This chart will explain a lot...



    Of course that's what the age comp and size distribution used look like BEFORE we f'd it up. The age comp and size distribution of more recent returns looks NOTHING like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    5-6 yr olds are 1.3's (3-ocean) and 1.4's (4-ocean). LOTS of difference in size between ER3-o and ER4-o fish... with the 3-o's averaging 20-25 pounds and 4-o's averaging 35-40 pounds. But the largest 4-o's can also reach 60-70 pounds PLUS!

    There's much more overlap in the size of ER4-o and ER5-o.... the 5-o fish don't get much bigger than the biggest 4-o fish. The biggest difference is that the 5-o hens as a group are packing more eggs than their 4-o siblings.

    This chart will explain a lot...



    Of course that's what the age comp and size distribution used look like BEFORE we f'd it up. The age comp and size distribution of more recent returns looks NOTHING like that.
    Thanks, that's very interesting. I would like to see what it looks like now.

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    New Sonar system and new location. They have been working on getting the best counts possible to improve in season management to allow maximum harvest opportunity while achieving escapement goals. The new sonar system is like a sonogram of the river showing fish, seals and pretty much anything else that goes by. They can now freeze an image, digitally measure each fish and determine with a pretty high level of accuracy which ones are Chinook and which ones are not. This along with consistent test netting are hopefully providing a more accurate count so they took the old data off line because it is not comparable to the numbers that are now being reported. Here is a really good information link.

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=sonar.kenai

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