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    "There is a serious threat to our right to bear arms because of narrow, monolithic and federally-controlled manufacture of essential ammunition components, smokeless powder (propellant), primers and cartridge brass. For example, there are only two manufacturers of smokeless powder in the U.S., one plant owned by defense contractor General Dynamics and another owned by defense contractor Alliant Systems (ATK).

    All other smokeless powder used in the U.S. is imported, and subject to immediate and arbitrary import restrictions. And, General Dynamics and Alliant Systems are subject to a standard condition of military contracts that 100% of their production may be commandeered for military use at any time. Without ammunition, our firearms and our right to bear ammunition are worth nothing."

    Source: http://www.mtssa.org/?page_id=172

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGL4now View Post
    Smokeless Powder.......American Producers....."ONLY TWO" ???
    You seem surprised by this(?).
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    First lead, and now powder... hmmm...
    Time to start stockpiling again.

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    YES.....I did NOT know this.

    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    You seem surprised by this(?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sayak View Post
    First lead, and now powder... hmmm...
    Time to start stockpiling again.
    This is not new. There have only ever been a few powder manufacturers in the U.S. at any given time. Nothing has changed. We could rehash the whole who's who of manufacturing here on AOD, but it's already been pretty well outlined elsewhere, including >HERE<, so no need.
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    Yes......I agree. And being called a "Hoarder low-life" by those who fail to cover their own Asp........is OK with me.

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    First lead, and now powder... hmmm...
    Time to start stockpiling again.

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    You could always start your own powder company
    Those that are successful in Alaska are those who are flexible, and allow the reality of life in Alaska to shape their dreams, vs. trying to force their dreams on the reality of Alaska.

    If you have a tenuous grasp of reality, Alaska is not for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul H View Post
    You could always start your own powder company
    Can you even begin to imagine the hoops federal agencies would make you jump through? Sullivan had it right.

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    EPA alone make it near impossible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by limon32 View Post
    EPA alone make it near impossible...
    Ah, but maybe we can find powder substitutes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sayak View Post
    Ah, but maybe we can find powder substitutes!
    Granulized methane?


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    But Alliant is manufactured in Sweden
    what about Winchester powder?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt&FishAK View Post
    But Alliant is manufactured in Sweden
    what about Winchester powder?
    Alliant is reportedly made in France, Germany, Florida, maybe Canada.
    Winchester ball powder comes out of Florida, the remainder maybe Australia and/or ?? (Winchester is licensed to Hodgdon).
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    Who owns who, and manufactures what, under which name, is a constantly moving target...but I believe the following is up to date and accurate:

    General Dynamics (U.S. defense contractor) - owns:
    the St. Marks Powder plant in Crawfordville Florida - makes Hodgdon/Winchester ball powders, Alliant Power Pro, IMR Enduron powders, some Accurate powders;
    the Energetic Materials plant in Valleyfield Qeubec Canada - makes IMR single base powders, some rimfire and shotgun powders.

    Groupe SNPE (French State-owned) owns:
    Vihtavouri plant in Laukaa Finland - makes Vihtavouri powders;
    Bofors plant in Kariskoga Sweden - makes much of the Reloder line, as well as the Norma line;
    Poudrerie de Clermont plant in Belgium France - makes Ramshot.

    Thales Group (French company) owns:
    Thales Australia Limited/Australian Defense Industries/Australian Munitions plant in Mulwala New South Wales Australia - makes ADI powders, Hodgdon Extreme powders, and some IMR/Winchester powders.

    Rheinmetall Defence (German defense contractor) - owns:
    Nitrochemie Propellent plant in Wimmis Switzerland - makes Reloder-17 and 26.

    Hodgdon brand (not a manufacturer) - Owns IMR brand, and holds the license for Winchester brand.

    Alliant Techsystems (ATK) (U.S. defense contractor) - Owns the Alliant name, doesn't manufacture Alliant Reloder powder.

    British Aerospace Systems (BAE) - Operates Radford Army Ammunition Plant in Radford Virginia (Unknown what if any civilian canister powders currently produced).

    ATK, BAE, and Olin Corp. in joint venture as U.S. Munitions LLC (U.S. defense contractor) - Operates Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence Missouri (Unknown what if any civilian canister powders currently produced).
    Bottom line: All the smokeless small arms powder consumed in the U.S. is produced by huge international defense corporations/contractors; very little of it is produced in the U.S.; the primary interest/focus of all these corporations is the global war/defense industry, and to say canister propellents for the civilian consumer market takes a back seat is a huge understatement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    Alliant is reportedly made in France, Germany, Florida, maybe Canada.
    Winchester ball powder comes out of Florida, the remainder maybe Australia and/or ?? (Winchester is licensed to Hodgdon).
    Hmmm.... Some of my reloader 17 and 19 says on the bottle made in Sweden.......mystery. Ill look at them all later tonite.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt&FishAK View Post
    Hmmm.... Some of my reloader 17 and 19 says on the bottle made in Sweden.......mystery. Ill look at them all later tonite.
    To the best of my knowledge, all Reloader is currently manufactured either at Nitrochemie Wimmis AG (Switzerland), or Bofors Karlskoga (Sweden).

    RL-17, 26, 33, and 50 come out of the Nitrochemie Wimmis AG plant. http://www.bam.de/en/service/amtl_mi...-treib-en.html

    Am pretty sure 19 and most of the rest of it comes out of Bofors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    To the best of my knowledge, all Reloader is currently manufactured either at Nitrochemie Wimmis AG (Switzerland), or Bofors Karlskoga (Sweden).

    RL-17, 26, 33, and 50 come out of the Nitrochemie Wimmis AG plant. http://www.bam.de/en/service/amtl_mi...-treib-en.html

    Am pretty sure 19 and most of the rest of it comes out of Bofors.
    my current powder list and the country it is manufactured in as of on the bottle ( most less than a year old)
    alliant RL 17 made in Switzerland
    alliant RL 19 made in Sweden
    alliant RL 22 made in Sweden
    Alliant RL 15 made in Sweden
    Norma URP Made in Sweden
    Alliant 4000 mr made in USA
    IMR 4831 made in Canada
    IMR 4064 made in Canada
    IMR 7828 made in Canada
    Hodgdon Varget made in Australia



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt&FishAK View Post
    my current powder list and the country it is manufactured in as of on the bottle ( most less than a year old)
    alliant RL 17 made in Switzerland
    alliant RL 19 made in Sweden
    alliant RL 22 made in Sweden
    Alliant RL 15 made in Sweden
    Norma URP Made in Sweden
    Alliant 4000 mr made in USA
    IMR 4831 made in Canada
    IMR 4064 made in Canada
    IMR 7828 made in Canada
    Hodgdon Varget made in Australia
    Yup, that all jibes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    Yup, that all jibes.
    Wasn't proving anything just tossing the info out there. Its interesting that its so spread out. However what exactly does the USA manufacture anymore? Not much and that is depressing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sayak View Post
    First lead, and now powder... hmmm...
    Time to start stockpiling again.
    Stockpiling......... Is what should be done by anyone who cares to keep their own right intact. If you feel you might need it later, don't pass it up. I buy as I see it. I see nothing wrong with it.



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