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    Seems like we're a little behind the times when it comes to non-res moose tags...

    Alaska =$400
    Washington=$1650
    Idaho= $2100
    Wyoming=$1400

    http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/...ype=Controlled Hunt&feeCategory=

    https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/wdfw/licenses_fees.html

    http://wgfd.wyo.gov/fiscal/license/l...s/default.aspx

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    We've been behind the times for some time now....
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    How about posting the cost of a resident tag in those states...

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    To be fair, in all of those states your odds of drawing the moose tag in the first place are in the thousands or tens of thousands to one. Alaska has some draw tags for moose but even those you can reasonably expect to draw in a few years. Moose in the lower 48 is much more like bison in Alaska. Comparing the two is comparing apples to Buick's.

    It is an issue of supply and demand. Alaska has more moose than the lower 48 combined, with demand from nonresidents being very similar or less in Alaska as compared to each state individually in the lower 48. High supply, similar demand leads to a lower price than in a low supply fixed demand situation

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    Very well said.

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    We also have the biggest moose....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinFever View Post
    Seems like we're a little behind the times when it comes to non-res moose tags...

    Alaska =$400
    Washington=$1650
    Idaho= $2100
    Wyoming=$1400

    http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/...ype=Controlled Hunt&feeCategory=

    https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/wdfw/licenses_fees.html

    http://wgfd.wyo.gov/fiscal/license/l...s/default.aspx
    Washington is a once in a lifetime hunt . So is Idaho I believe. Not sure about Wyoming. A non resident Muskox tag in Alaska would be more comparable at $1,100.

    By the way, a Washington resident moose tag costs $332. You up for paying that in Alaska? Or the $166.75 plus 6.25 application fee in Idaho? Or $112 and $5 app fee in Wyoming.
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    I live in Washington.
    Resident once in a lifetime moose,sheep and goat tags are 332.00 each.
    I have max preference points for sheep at 20 and 18 for moose.
    If I am extremely lucky enough to draw either I will more then happy forking out the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodux View Post
    Washington is a once in a lifetime hunt . So is Idaho I believe. Not sure about Wyoming. A non resident Muskox tag in Alaska would be more comparable at $1,100.

    By the way, a Washington resident moose tag costs $332. You up for paying that in Alaska? Or the $166.75 plus 6.25 application fee in Idaho? Or $112 and $5 app fee in Wyoming.
    Not sure what non-resident prices has to do with resident stuff.

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    And before you get too greedy, there is the added cost to travel to Alaska. I'd say Alaska is about right and the licenses they sell to non resident hunters brings money to Alaska in other ways in the form of money spent instate by non res hunters, like hunting and camping supplies, guides, food, drinks, fuel, motel rooms and a trip to the Bush Company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Not sure what non-resident prices has to do with resident stuff.
    Really? Somebody points out that other States charge more for non resident licenses and you don't see the relationship that they also charge more for resident licenses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRWNBR View Post
    We also have the biggest moose....
    Sure, you have a different subspecies of moose there
    All the more reason that comparing the cost of a non resident Alaskan moose tag to a nonresident lower 48 tag is an impossible task. Would it make sense to have a much steeper cost for tags if you could only hunt a moose once in your life? Of course. But in Alaska you can hunt a bull every year. Here in Utah, moose are once in a lifetime. There are about 100 permits available every year for residents and non residents to share. If you were to start applying this year to hunt a bull moose in Utah (nr price is about $1200, resident $400ish), statistically you can expect to draw a tag in about 250 years---assuming they continue to offer the same number of tags, which is unlikely as ever year for the past decade we've had to cut moose tags.

    Yes, you have the biggest moose which makes it very desirable. That is why you have guides running moose hunts north of $15k for a big bull. Here in Utah, if you win the lottery and get a permit, you can hire an excellent guide service for about $5k. Add a grand for the tag and you are all in a fraction of the cost of a guided monster Alaskan moose. These are completely different markets and thereby extremely difficult to make a valid side by side comparison.

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    Lol that's not why they are 15k!!
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    I'm sure they have some extremely high operating costs as well. In no way was I trying to state that guides are over charging. Rather, I was trying to make yet another point as to how different the moose markets are in Alaska versus the lower 48.

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    You are correct, it is not a fair comparison, apples to Buicks or what ever. Leave the bison and muskox out of this - we're talking about moose here.

    An Alaska moose hunt is far more valuable than one in Washington or Utah so you should pay more. Pretty simple stuff.

    For the record I wouldn't have a problem increasing the resident fees either, I pay less for a moose tag now than I did 30 years ago.

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    I guess it depends on how you define value. Some people really like Shiras Moose, our governor's tag sells for six figures as do most state's governor's tags. Value is economically derived from the concept of scarcity, the more scarce the more value. (in economics scarcity is limited supply that people actually want). That being said, I don't think a tag increase is a bad thing per se, but to raise the tag price to the same ballpark as a lower 48 NR tag is excessive IMO.

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    Also consider that bush logistics are 4 to 6 X what it cost in other states to get away from the road system. If our moose tags cost $1000 each a non-res moose hunt self guided would go up another $600 or more per person, and they are already costly hunts. Just sayin'

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    I am not a resident anymore but consider myself an Alaskan because I grew up and spent most my life and still own my home in Alaska. I spend around 2,500 bucks a year just on game tags and another 25,000, at least, on family travel and other expenses just to spend time and hunt/fish, travel Alaska. I vote no on higher priced non-res tags. Thank God I have inlaws to escort me to shoot a stinkn bear or sheep now that I'm non-res!

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    Like others, I think you have to look at a lot more than just the price of the tag by itself. Yes, our (Alaska) non-resident prices for something like a moose is a lot less than other states, but we are marketing it differently too. As mentioned above, many of those other states that charge far more are once in a lifetime opportunities. If someone was looking to get a moose there, they only ever have to plan on buying a moose tag once in their lifetime, so a $1,500 or $2,000 price tag isn't such a big thing. In Alaska, we are hoping those non-residents will come back multiple times. Many non-resident hunters get a moose one year and end up coming back over and over again, each time buying a non-resident moose tag whether they get a moose or not. In doing so, they also inject money into the local economy on a number of different levels (flights, gear, food, lodging, guides, etc...). Also, due to the difficulty in getting to the game up here (as opposed to a "non-resident" for someplace like Washington who might have to drive for 2-4 hours from their own state to get there), we can let people go after moose more than one time and not worry as much about wiping out the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    Like others, I think you have to look at a lot more than just the price of the tag by itself. Yes, our (Alaska) non-resident prices for something like a moose is a lot less than other states, but we are marketing it differently too.
    Who is the we in your statement above? Are you affiliated with a marketing team to get non residents up here? Or is this a gross assumption based on your opinion or knowledge on the subject?

    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    As mentioned above, many of those other states that charge far more are once in a lifetime opportunities.
    So you're saying an Alaskan moose hunt is not? Go to any other forums and you will see thread after thread of OIL Alaska moose hunts. I would beg to differ that in most cases an Alaska moose hunt for a non resident is more OIL then one in their own state. Of course like stated above some states like Utah are OIL.

    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    In Alaska, we are hoping those non-residents will come back multiple times. Many non-resident hunters get a moose one year and end up coming back over and over again, each time buying a non-resident moose tag whether they get a moose or not..
    Again could you please elaborate on the we? Who are you talking about? And is having low non resident tag prices really going to be a deciding factor in bringing people up again and again? Could you also show me the statistics you based that they are coming up again and again buying a non resident moose tag? Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    Also, due to the difficulty in getting to the game up here (as opposed to a "non-resident" for someplace like Washington who might have to drive for 2-4 hours from their own state to get there), we can let people go after moose more than one time and not worry as much about wiping out the population.
    There are numerous places in AK where the moose population is down, maybe we better start capping the non residents? Maybe you're not worried sitting in your cube in ANC but in other parts of AK its a serious concern. Some pretty bold opinions salted with a premise that there is fact in what has been said....

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