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    Justin just completed his Kodiak combo today with a Mtn blacktail? Yesterday king salmon, the day before a Mtn goat, he is done!
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    Wow......now that's one strange lookin' critter. Just think if some of that mass around those bases was able to get to some top points...!!!

    F&G really needs to see that and figure out what went on......
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    Looks like cow horns. Crazy looking head gear for sure

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    Is that velvet peeling off it's antlers? One of those weird genetic deer that grow the non typical antlers that never shed their velvet?

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    Looks like one of those gay deer...
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    Queer deer for sure. My idea of a meat buck.

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    more like MUTANT deer!!

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    Speaking of odd deer, 3 of the 5 bucks we shot on the South end of Kodiak this year had no testicles. Typical racks, no velvet, just no berries on the twig.

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    That's what happens when the entire gene pool is related to 30 something original deer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiakcombo View Post
    Justin just completed his Kodiak combo today with a Mtn blacktail? Yesterday king salmon, the day before a Mtn goat, he is done!
    Stag? very cool... and congrats to Justin on a very successful trip! (and you too!)
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    34 deer from my research, AKDoug... but I was told there was also a possible cause from a chemical in seaweed... anyone know of this to be true?
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    My guess is there needs to be some diversity injected into that gene pool.

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    Did he have any testicles ? We shot a few deer like that in S.C but not that thick of horns the biologist said it was because they were castrated caused that kind of growth
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    I've seen two with issues like that on kodiak. One out near
    Olds River and one in kiluda. One is no longer with us. 😎
    It happens all over he US, so I doubt seaweed has anything to do with it. Probably just a chromosome got broke or something which causes no testicals. Without those the testosterone is outa whack...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    Did he have any testicles ? We shot a few deer like that in S.C but not that thick of horns the biologist said it was because they were castrated caused that kind of growth
    I don't doubt that at all. One old boy I knew as a kid killed this massive muley that only had one nut. When I say massive I mean like 350# on the hoof. But he had a perfectly symmetrical 4x4 rack that was 42"wide.....
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    42" muley!!! That ol boy must have been shot back in the good old days before humans began turning their habitat into suburbs. I am a member of the Mule deer foundation and a 30" buck is big nowadays. Would love to see a pic of that giant

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliW View Post
    Stag? very cool... and congrats to Justin on a very successful trip! (and you too!)
    Here's some good info for you Juli.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874179/

    The money quote. "based on lesions observed, we hypothesize that it is more likely that this testis–antler dysgenesis resulted from continuing exposure of pregnant females to an estrogenic environmental agent(s), thereby transforming testicular cells, affecting development of primordial antler pedicles, and blocking transabdominal descent of fetal testes. A browse (e.g., kelp) favored by deer in this locale might carry the putative estrogenic agent(s)."
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    Nothing like a good ol' scientific shot in the dark. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by armystrong13d View Post
    42" muley!!! That ol boy must have been shot back in the good old days before humans began turning their habitat into suburbs. I am a member of the Mule deer foundation and a 30" buck is big nowadays. Would love to see a pic of that giant
    Yes ....we're going back around 40 years now. That particular buck ended up taking 3rd place in the Vegas big buck tournament.

    Unfortunately I have no pics.....sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodux View Post
    Here's some good info for you Juli.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874179/

    The money quote. "based on lesions observed, we hypothesize that it is more likely that this testis–antler dysgenesis resulted from continuing exposure of pregnant females to an estrogenic environmental agent(s), thereby transforming testicular cells, affecting development of primordial antler pedicles, and blocking transabdominal descent of fetal testes. A browse (e.g., kelp) favored by deer in this locale might carry the putative estrogenic agent(s)."

    Thanks so much twodux. That was a very interesting read... The AP certainly seems to have a potential issue at hand.
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