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    I live in Idaho and have only hunted in Alaska a few times. However, next year I want to do lots of hunting up there and would like suggestions for which draws to put in for. I am interested in Browns, Rams and Moose although I will hunt general if I don't draw. Any recommendations would be great. Although I want trophies, I am more interested in harvesting than record books. Thanks.

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    Get a guide. You will need one for Browns and Rams. You don't need to draw. If you want to hunt next year you need to plan on over the counter harvest tickets.

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    In some ways you're in a good position on the draw tags. You'll have to get a guide as stated above, but some of those areas (like Kodiak) have close to 100% draw success (you can only put in for the draw if you have an agreement with the guide). For Moose, one of the most popular would be the Koyukuk area. Some of those have guide requirements, some don't.

    It would be easier to give you some suggestions if you were a little more specific on what you're interested in. Just a bear, huge moose, etc...

    Guides can be expensive, some of the DIY type hunts for moose can get spendy quick as well. Need to get an idea of what you're willing to spend on a hunt.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakman View Post
    In some ways you're in a good position on the draw tags. You'll have to get a guide as stated above, but some of those areas (like Kodiak) have close to 100% draw success (you can only put in for the draw if you have an agreement with the guide). For Moose, one of the most popular would be the Koyukuk area. Some of those have guide requirements, some don't.

    It would be easier to give you some suggestions if you were a little more specific on what you're interested in. Just a bear, huge moose, etc...

    Guides can be expensive, some of the DIY type hunts for moose can get spendy quick as well. Need to get an idea of what you're willing to spend on a hunt.

    Good luck!
    Thanks for the advise. I'm aware of the relative/guide requirements for ram and browns, as I do have a sister that lives there but she doesn't hunt. But I may be able to drag her along in the right circumstances. However, I prefer the DIY approach versus the guide. Mostly because of cost, but also I enjoy the uncertainties and adventures that come along without a professional. But if you have a guide recommendation, I would give him a call to explore my options.

    Regarding more specifics, there aren't many. The moose needs to be over 50" (I don't need a 70") and tasty, the brown needs to be average or maybe even below, and the ram needs to be legal. Money isn't a huge factor for me, as it cost me about $5k for a 14 day DIY moose hunt in 2013. I am familiar and acceptable regarding transportation costs once in Alaska, and I would love to hire a pilot to get me up the mountain for the ram. So if I could get any of these animals for around $5k, that would be great.

    For now I would like to put in for the three draws for each animal and see if I get lucky. Then depending what I draw, I can figure out my game plan from there.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowelk View Post
    But I may be able to drag her along in the right circumstances. .
    Bear in mind that your sister will actually have to accompany you on the hunt, she can't be in camp while you are hunting, she needs to be in close proximity.
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    Regarding more specifics, there aren't many. The moose needs to be over 50" (I don't need a 70") and tasty, the brown needs to be average or maybe even below, and the ram needs to be legal. Money isn't a huge factor for me, as it cost me about $5k for a 14 day DIY moose hunt in 2013. I am familiar and acceptable regarding transportation costs once in Alaska, and I would love to hire a pilot to get me up the mountain for the ram. So if I could get any of these animals for around $5k, that would be great.


    If you find a guide who will drop you off in the mountains near a definite legal ram for under 5k, let me know
    its better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt...

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    I'm not up to speed on this, but I think a sheep or bear guide is going to cost you upwards of 10 grand. If you're just looking for good options for tags, I'd look at DS102, DS103, DS203, DS204, and anything in Unit 13 or 14.

    For moose, I'd look at unit 21, but make sure you have the logistics figured out first.

    Best bet for bear permits is Kodiak, but you'll need the guide agreement first.

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    The bear guide I know personally is about 25k...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowelk View Post
    Thanks for the advise. I'm aware of the relative/guide requirements for ram and browns, as I do have a sister that lives there but she doesn't hunt. But I may be able to drag her along in the right circumstances. However, I prefer the DIY approach versus the guide. Mostly because of cost, but also I enjoy the uncertainties and adventures that come along without a professional. But if you have a guide recommendation, I would give him a call to explore my options.

    Regarding more specifics, there aren't many. The moose needs to be over 50" (I don't need a 70") and tasty, the brown needs to be average or maybe even below, and the ram needs to be legal. Money isn't a huge factor for me, as it cost me about $5k for a 14 day DIY moose hunt in 2013. I am familiar and acceptable regarding transportation costs once in Alaska, and I would love to hire a pilot to get me up the mountain for the ram. So if I could get any of these animals for around $5k, that would be great.

    For now I would like to put in for the three draws for each animal and see if I get lucky. Then depending what I draw, I can figure out my game plan from there.

    Thanks.
    Thus the reason non-resident next of kin should be taken out of resident pool... and better yet they should only be allowed to apply as a party!!! It should be first degree kindred also or maybe second degree by blood at most!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunttolive View Post
    Thus the reason non-resident next of kin should be taken out of resident pool... and better yet they should only be allowed to apply as a party!!! It should be first degree kindred also or maybe second degree by blood at most!
    Dont agree here?Couple of my most favorite hunts came with my out of stater brother...Don't see any thing wrong here...

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    I think the whole guide requirement ought to go, although I should probably start a separate thread for that conversation...


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    Quote Originally Posted by hunttolive View Post
    It should be first degree kindred also or maybe second degree by blood at most!
    Or most simply, not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowelk View Post
    I'm aware of the relative/guide requirements for ram and browns, as I do have a sister that lives there but she doesn't hunt. But I may be able to drag her along in the right circumstances.
    Thanks.
    Two things to be aware of. Page 11 of the 2014 hunting regulation booklet, "The guide or relative must have a current Alaska hunting license and must be within 100 yards of the nonresident when the nonresident attempts to take game." Also for some hunts you are required to have an signed guide agreement prior to submitting the drawing application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotton View Post
    Dont agree here?Couple of my most favorite hunts came with my out of stater brother...Don't see any thing wrong here...
    Read it again... You hunt! And yes the resident acting as a guide must be within 100 yards. Wanna go with hunting with your brother, God Bless, Amen that's what the rule was placed there for. Me taking my multiple times over now step- brothers and sisters, who I have never met?? You hopefully find that as a Loophole that should be closed!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunttolive View Post
    Read it again... You hunt! And yes the resident acting as a guide must be within 100 yards. Wanna go with hunting with your brother, God Bless, Amen that's what the rule was placed there for. Me taking my multiple times over now step- brothers and sisters, who I have never met?? You hopefully find that as a Loophole that should be closed!!
    "many times over steps"?? Just how many times were your parents married? Second degree of kindred is pretty well spelled out at the bottom of page 10 of the regs booklet.
    There are things in the regs that I find ackward/confusing & just plain dumb, but this isn't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    "many times over steps"?? Just how many times were your parents married? Second degree of kindred is pretty well spelled out at the bottom of page 10 of the regs booklet.
    There are things in the regs that I find ackward/confusing & just plain dumb, but this isn't one of them.
    Dad has been married four different times and working on fifth now. Mom three. I could have taken all the step-moms and step-dads and step-siblings hunting. many of them I have never met.... Sure it's not likely that I would have but it's possible and it happens. Something like this...Hey our mom just married this guy whose son lives in Alaska so now all we have to do is put his name down and we can apply for a Tok tag!! Ya it's spelled out and includes relatives by marriage that in my opinion should not be included! That is/was my point I'm trying to convey. Sorry I write like I talk my wife gets on me all the time about it. I liked sports and hunting, writing and English not so much

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    Oakman, thanks for the suggestions. Sorry about the can of worms regarding "relatives" hunting in Alaska. If any of you have guides and/or pilots that you recommend, I'm all ears. Money isn't the big issue with me. It's the experience and the hunt. And any other GMU suggestions are appreciated. Good luck on all your draws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowelk View Post
    Oakman, thanks for the suggestions. Sorry about the can of worms regarding "relatives" hunting in Alaska. If any of you have guides and/or pilots that you recommend, I'm all ears. Money isn't the big issue with me. It's the experience and the hunt. And any other GMU suggestions are appreciated. Good luck on all your draws.
    Bowelk,
    Sorry to rant on you a little there its just one of my sore subjects. I have been guiding many years in and around the TMA. Myself and at least one of the other main guides have had issues with Non-resident next of kin applying and getting tags for years. Had several occasions that guys called stating they had drawn before and went with a cousin and/or drew and couldn't get their relative to get time off or etc., etc. Some have had relative that lived here when they drew then moved. Then they call trying to figure out how to hunt. When I tell them how much guided hunts cost they think I'm crazy and they either go Illegally or burn the tag. That takes tags out of our guide pool. We as guides are currently getting about 5% (3) of the tags for the TMA plus one auction tag. If you can get your sister to go with you and participate in a sheep or bear hunt then great, as it most certainly good family bonding time. Heck maybe she might get into hunting? Any way as oakman suggests DS 102 Ds 103 and DS 204 are good options and most likely your highest chance for success of draw. South end Kodiak and/or Unimak would be my choices for bear. Ya better plan that one out with a guide and finances first!! Moose apply unit 21 or 23 and get your logistics figured out first!! Drop off and/or outfitted hunts up there up to 8K each. My hunts and other guided hunts are much more. Guided bear hunts on Kodiak and Unimak 20-25K, Sheep hunts 15-20K, Moose hunts 10-20K are about what you will find across the state. Some places around the state will do drop off moose hunts for $2500 or so, but be very careful in researching those as some are good and others not so much!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunttolive View Post
    Dad has been married four different times and working on fifth now. Mom three. I could have taken all the step-moms and step-dads and step-siblings hunting. many of them I have never met.... Sure it's not likely that I would have but it's possible and it happens. Something like this...Hey our mom just married this guy whose son lives in Alaska so now all we have to do is put his name down and we can apply for a Tok tag!! Ya it's spelled out and includes relatives by marriage that in my opinion should not be included! That is/was my point I'm trying to convey. Sorry I write like I talk my wife gets on me all the time about it. I liked sports and hunting, writing and English not so much
    Jeff
    I can see where you're coming from after reading post # 18. Good luck in getting any changes made.

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    My opinion is that the guide rule exists solely so the guiding industry has guaranteed clientele.

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