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    Default Feds are @ it again...

    Proposing to shut down brown bear hunting on the refuge between Sept and May. All of us should be concerned, whether bear hunters or not.

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    This should be no surprise. They said they'd do this when the seasons were liberalized and baiting was allowed by the Board of Game.

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    I would think after salmon, bears bring most critter money to the state and fed parks. At some point the state will have to come up with a plan to balance hunters and other meat eaters for the limited number of meat animals Alaska can sustain at this time. There will be a time that brown bear baiting will be looked at the same as when we had bounties on eagles and dolly varden.JMOFO
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    It's not a surprise, Brian, but they'd let it drop for a while.
    I won't get into my feelings about baiting, but I brought this to the forefront because I think such restriction could go beyond brown bear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sayak View Post
    I brought this to the forefront because I think such restriction could go beyond brown bear.
    They hinted at that at this years black bear baiting raffle.


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    Both SCI and Senator Murkowski have sent letters to the refuge asking them to reconsider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sayak View Post
    Proposing to shut down brown bear hunting on the refuge between Sept and May. All of us should be concerned, whether bear hunters or not.
    Heard about them wanting to do this quite awhile ago now. I had to laugh though when the radio announcement said it would be a "temporary" closure. Sept.- May.....real temporary eh? I think they really mean temporarily for a few seasons.....
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    The feds need to stay out of state issues.. Problem is we still have too many brown bears so I guess it's back to the SSS

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0321Tony View Post
    The feds need to stay out of state issues.. Problem is we still have too many brown bears so I guess it's back to the SSS
    Problem is, the refuge is fed's and they treat it as separate from Alaska. The American people as a whole feel that brown bear, wolves and other predators are way cooler than moose, and it is my belief that the FWS reflects that value and will carry it out on their land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0321Tony View Post
    The feds need to stay out......
    There.......fixed it for you.........lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0321Tony View Post
    The feds need to stay out
    Thats what the majority said in 59 just as they learned the Alaska elected didn't listen to the people even back then
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    Quote Originally Posted by sayak View Post
    Problem is, the refuge is fed's and they treat it as separate from Alaska. The American people as a whole feel that brown bear, wolves and other predators are way cooler than moose, and it is my belief that the FWS reflects that value and will carry it out on their land.
    And the biggest problem with this is that you get too many "cool" wolves and bears, they eat everything and then you have nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0321Tony View Post
    And the biggest problem with this is that you get too many "cool" wolves and bears, they eat everything and then you have nothing.
    Its even more ridiculous than that, there is a few employees over there that have a soft spot for the cute fuzzy critters and they are the primary drivers of these closures. I wish it wasn't that simple, but it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0321Tony View Post
    The feds need to stay out of state issues.. Problem is we still have too many brown bears so I guess it's back to the SSS
    Not knowing the level of brown beats you have I'll stay out of that part.
    The Feds needing to stay out of state business I totally agree with however.

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    The "Feds" should pull all Federal jobs and all financial contribution out of Alaska. Then, a few months later when the state goes bankrupt and the state government collapses, the U.S. should sell the territory to Canada.
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    Yep Alaska is #1 for receiving fed money per person. For every $2,500 we give in tax they give us back $15,000
    http://247wallst.com/special-report/...deral-money/3/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    Yep Alaska is #1 for receiving fed money per person. For every $2,500 we give in tax they give us back $15,000
    http://247wallst.com/special-report/...deral-money/3/
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    I have talked to people who know some refuge staff.
    It seems after a short while of working there they no longer refer to it as a public refuge. They call it "THEIR" refuge.
    As in "you won't believe what we caught someone doing on our refuge today".
    They don't treat it as public property but as property they allow the public to use.
    Then again the Forest service isn't any better nowdays.
    In a public teleconference with the Alaska miners association the GPAA and some others the director of the Chugach stated he did not care what federal law says what he says on the Chugach is what the rules will be.
    It is not about what is good for the public or the resource it is all about how they feel things should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik in AK View Post
    I consider that rent for all the federal land they locked up
    Yeah but the lease terms need to be renegotiated.
    Time for the state to make the rules and not the feds.

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