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    I currently hunt with a .30-.06 and have been thinking about a second rifle for the wife/back up. I believe the wife could handle the 06 but since she plans on hunting this year I need another rifle for her. I have a few different options already in my arsenal. I own an AR and a .243 as well as a 12 gauge. I've already decided to bring the AR up with me and am trying to decide if I should bring the .243 for her. It would save me some money b/c it is already set up and I already own it. What say you guys? Is a .243 ok for moose? I know shot placement matters and for what it is worth my wife was an expert marksman in the Marine Corps.

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    Since you already have it, a .243 will work juuuuuuuuust fine. The first 3 moose I took were with a .243, pushing 90 grain Remington Core Lokts no less. Only had 1 of those that required more than 1 round into the boiler room (3rd moose took 2), and 50 ft is the farthest I've seen one go after being hit. You have the .06 as back up if she is taking the shot, go for it.
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    In short and typically speaking the .243 would be a poor choice as back up caliber, normally "back up" fills the roll of a when the SHTF scenario and a critter needs to be put down NOW, the .243 lacks a great deal if needed to fill that role. Now, since your wife is an expert markswoman, that changes things a bit in that she has skills that exceed "typical" and "normal" improving the odds that she can place a bullet in the CNS, situation allowing.

    If she can shoot a .30-06' comfortably I suggest she do so. I see no reason not to use the .243 as the primary tool at a reasonable distance, particularly since in the ideal hunting situation one has the opportunity to stalk close and set up the shot for a quick clean and humane kill. The .243 will do that if you do your roll properly.

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    Moose country equals bear country. As long as you are comfortable with the gun for both scenarios if the need should arise.


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    Thanks guys. I'm going to bring it up. I can let her shoot the 06 and if it's good we are good. If it kicks to much she has the 243 and I'll have her back.

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    Usually a Moose, when shot while it's not really aware of you, will die pretty quick no matter what you shoot it with (assuming you hit the right spot),
    however, a Moose revved up with adrenalin after being shot and ticked off, just doesn't want to go down peacefully. That's what I think of when I think back up gun. Use the .243 as the shooter and have the -06 ready to go just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius View Post
    Thanks guys. I'm going to bring it up. I can let her shoot the 06 and if it's good we are good. If it kicks to much she has the 243 and I'll have her back.
    Remington makes a "managed recoil round " for the '06. I had my grandson shooting a 270 with those reduced recoil loads when he was about 12yo.

    and he did real well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland on the River View Post
    Remington makes a "managed recoil round " for the '06. I had my grandson shooting a 270 with those reduced recoil loads when he was about 12yo.

    and he did real well.
    I saw that you mentioned these earlier in another thread. I've been to five different stores and none have carried these rounds. I'm going to keep looking though.

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    No problemo, a .243w will do the job quite well on a Moose. Fear not, 100 grn bullets and a well placed shot are still what is needed , no matter thecaliber.
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    I will always recommend a woman using the largest hunting caliber she can handle. If my 105 lb wife can thump a moose with my .338 all day long, yours should be able to handle a .308/.270 etc. If money is an issue, bring the .243. If its not, she really ought to be carying something with a little more poop. Not sure about you, but I sure as heck wouldn't want my wife tromping through the brush, coming face to face with a griz with a .243.
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    My wife shoots an 06. Putting on a new squishy but pad really made a difference. Highly recommend.

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    for what it's worth, there is a guy who takes rifles via regular mail, and returns them to you with a larger, fresh bore. he can do this to almost any rifle. for the 243, he can send it back as a 338 federal or a 358 winchester. It'll run you bout $200. His work is first rate. keep you from having to buy a new gun, and gets you and you family sending big bullets straight through moose, with over 30 percent less recoil than a 30-06: http://www.35caliber.com/2.html

    there are some great conversations had on this forum about these two cartridges:
    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...358-Winchester

    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ral-VS-358-Win

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    forgot to attach this, good visual:



    308 winchester next to a 275 grain woodleigh,358 winchester handload using resized norma 308 winchester brass. It flattens big bull moose with extremely mild recoil.

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    My 11 year old boys shoot a 30-06 with 125gr. Very minimal kick.

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    243 is definitely sufficient for kill shot on moose, although I prefer to have a lot more firepower with me in the field. As long as the two of you stay together and watch each other, that rifle combination will keep you safe. Search the forums for a post last fall by denalihunter. His son drilled a 52" moose last fall with one shot with 100 grain bullets. Good reading.


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    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...d.php?t=135368

    Here, found it.


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    Thanks everyone for the feedback and suggestions. We've decided to go with a 12 ga with rifled slugs for her to use. I already own one as well and that set up can be used on bears as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius View Post
    Thanks everyone for the feedback and suggestions. We've decided to go with a 12 ga with rifled slugs for her to use. I already own one as well and that set up can be used on bears as well.
    That is an interesting choice, given the comparison in recoil and capability of the .30-06' in the hands of a highly skilled shooter.


    Gauge, length (oz. shot@MV) Gun weight (lbs.) Recoil energy (ft. lbs.)
    .410 bore, 2.5" (1/2 at 1200) 5.5 7.1
    .410 bore, 3" (11/16 at 1135) 5.5 10.5
    28 gauge, 2.75" (3/4 at 1200) 6.0 12.8
    20 gauge, 2.75" (7/8 at 1200) 6.5 16.1
    20 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) 6.5 21.0
    20 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1175) 6.5 25.0
    20 gauge, 3" (1 1/4 at 1185) 6.5 31.0
    16 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) 7.0 21.5
    16 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1240) 7.0 27.6
    12 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1180) 7.5 17.3
    12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1200) 7.5 23.0
    12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/4 at 1330) 7.5 32.0
    12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/2 at 1260) 7.5 45.0
    12 gauge, 3" (1 5/8 at 1280) 7.5 52.0
    12 gauge, 3" (1 7/8 at 1210) 8.75 54.0
    10 gauge, 3.5" (2 1/4 at 1210) 10.5 62.9

    cartridge - rifle wgt. - recoil ft/lbs - recoil velocity
    .30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
    .30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
    .30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
    .30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
    .30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
    .30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8



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