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    Default BATFE just ruled Plum Crazy AR lowers ILLEGAL

    A whole lot of going on with those guys lately. So they just decided that the polymer AR lowers formerly made by Plum Crazy (now New Frontier) are illegal. (Link to the article under the copied text)

    During the examination of the submitted AR- 15 type firearm receiver section (serial number RM00501 ), FTB also found that both the height and depth of the serial number markings are acceptable and thus compliant with§ 478.92. With respect to the adequacy of the attachment of the insert for this frame, the FTB evaluation revealed that the serial number consisted of a thin sheet of metal-like material and was attached to the surface of the embedded metal insert. This serial number was easily removed when a hammer and screw driver were used to peel the sheet off of the metal insert. This action took approximately 1 minute and caused no damage to the receiver. (See enclosed photos depicting the removal of the serial number insert.)
    … the method used to attach the serial number insert (serial number RM00501) on the partial receiver sample is not compliant with Federal Law.

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-letter-batfe/

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    Grind off OK pry off no good.
    Now left only to be a turd in the forrest and the circle will be complete.Use me as I have used you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    Grind off OK pry off no good.
    If you read the article, it says the ATF employs magicians that can recover ground off serial numbers...

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    BATFEIEIO rulings have always been pretty much arbitrary at best, so it's no surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limon32 View Post
    If you read the article, it says the ATF employs magicians that can recover ground off serial numbers...
    If it is a stamped or milled serial you can use acids to raise the numbers again. Not entirely sure how, but it is part of what they do. Either way, this is just more insanity from the gov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Polar View Post
    If it is a stamped or milled serial you can use acids to raise the numbers again. Not entirely sure how, but it is part of what they do. Either way, this is just more insanity from the gov.
    if they were stamped, stamping distorts deep into the mettle. If cut in on a mill, laser or any number of common ways of numbering they can't be found after removal.
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    For god sakes don't tell them about the metal serial number insert on the Glock frames that can be pried out!

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    If you remove the serial number they weigh 1/2 as much, are twice as powerful and can shoot around corners! Add a muzzle device to the SN mod and the rifle also becomes 100% invisible

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    The BATFEces scumbags have a notorious reputation for their subjective and arbitrary construction of rules.


    Quote Originally Posted by North Polar View Post
    If it is a stamped or milled serial you can use acids to raise the numbers again. Not entirely sure how, but it is part of what they do. Either way, this is just more insanity from the gov.

    It has to do with the compressed metal under the stampings being able to withstand the acid bath a little longer than the less dense metal around it.
    Rather than appearing as a stamped impression, they appear in relief. But there is a limit to what they can recover.
    Now what ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevelyn View Post
    The BATFEces scumbags have a notorious reputation for their subjective and arbitrary construction of rules.
    It has to do with the compressed metal under the stampings being able to withstand the acid bath a little longer than the less dense metal around it.
    Rather than appearing as a stamped impression, they appear in relief. But there is a limit to what they can recover.

    That's very interesting, thanks for the explanation.

    Blows my theory about them employing magicians out of the water!

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    Still sounds like magic to me.

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