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    Hope this don't fly but probably will
    http://www.alaskapublic.org/2014/03/...Alaska+News%29
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    You should acquaint yourself with the enviro wackos behind this..... http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/a...aff/index.html

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    I'm hoping the dozen or so hides I have hanging in the house aren't the endangered ones and are just the normal wonderful wolves
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    “Well we’re thrilled to finally have the finding. It’s come over two years late but we knew there was a strong case for pursuing a listing and we’re glad to see that the agency’s decided that our petition had merit.” said Larry Edwards, a forest campaigner with Greenpeace in Sitka.

    Wow, how Sitka has changed. Such a person would have been forcibly escorted out of town when I lived there.

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    I notice they don't show Larry Edwards' bio. Funny thing is he is a Chemist with no education in environmental training, as far as I've been able to ascertain. Jim

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    The most important sentence is the last one.

    The FWS has already made a decision on this sub-species. It was turned down for ESA listing back in the late 1990's. The question FWS has to answer is: "What has changed since the last time we did this?". There would have to be a fairly significant change in the status of the species, or in the threats criteria/factors for decline (if any) for the FWS to make a different decision. The threats are likely already known, and accounted for. The status of the species should be reasonably easy to estimate, if ADF&G doesn't already know. So, this is not an unsurmountable challenge since much of the legwork are already been done.

    My sense is that unless things have changed radically on POW since the 1990's, the decision won't be any different either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    Hope this don't fly but probably will
    http://www.alaskapublic.org/2014/03/...Alaska+News%29
    Yep! I agree Amigo but I hope it won't.

    This business has nothing more to do with the wolf than closing forest management in the form of logging on POW. The feds are at a virtual stand still offering timber sales that anyone can buy and afford to log as it is.

    I am not real happy with Murkowski's land disposal / transfer legislation (?) on POW. I hope that it is not going to be a timber liquidation or a land lockout. The feds could offer to let the state manage it.

    Any idea how the Thorne-whatsy timber sale is progressing? Did the USFS offer it for bid yet?

    In any event those wolves aren't one wit different genetically than those on the mainland. SO! They aren't special, maybe just over hunted...

    jmho....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    I'm hoping the dozen or so hides I have hanging in the house aren't the endangered ones and are just the normal wonderful wolves
    If they're from the endangered group that makes them all the more valuable!

    For some reason I just thought about all the coverage of the trapping death of one of the popular Denali Park wolves, and the natural death of another, younger female in the pack was hardly mentioned. As if trapping as a cause of death was the only thing that reduces a wolf pack's numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willphish4food View Post
    If they're from the endangered group that makes them all the more valuable!

    For some reason I just thought about all the coverage of the trapping death of one of the popular Denali Park wolves, and the natural death of another, younger female in the pack was hardly mentioned. As if trapping as a cause of death was the only thing that reduces a wolf pack's numbers.

    The point is there ARE NO endangered wolves in south-east Alaska ~ there is an endangered industry and a desire on the part of the federal government to lock everything up and throw away the key. The USFWS and the USFS will use the wolves to lock up the rest of the landscape there using the endangered species act. This is deceitful and reprehensible. Too bad politics trumps real biology.
    That country was so hungry even the ravens were packin' a lunch.... HUNGRY I tell ya'!!

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    It's not the Forest Service doing this. They don't want it any more than you do. If you want to stop this foolishness contact your representative in Congress, the press and the idiots that are pushing it. Now I'll get off my soap box. Jim

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    OK... I'll take your word on the USFS, Jim. They seemed fairly protectionist when I worked for them... And, I will take your advice and contact my representatives, but I won't bother with the press or the other idiots.
    That country was so hungry even the ravens were packin' a lunch.... HUNGRY I tell ya'!!

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    well maybe when they eat all the deer in the region because nobody can "legally" shoot them they can petition to save the endangered deer. if they say there are plenty of blacktail elsewhere the same can be said about the wolves. if they aren't proven to be a sub species then i dont see much of a battle.

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