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    How very like a national parks mouth piece to claim that only once in nearly 40 years have hunters even killed 20 bears, and leave out the DLP numbers, then when bemoaning this year's hunt numbers, lump in the hunted bears killed with the DLP bears to come up with the total number. Also he claims that this type of action is "unprecedented in the state of Alaska..." no cap on the number of bears nor number of sows killed, and hunters can kill one per year. Hmmmm... In 16 you can kill 2 per year, including sows with grown cubs. I'd say there is precedent in this state; that was a pretty ignorant statement for someone in charge of managing biology in a national park.

    Let the state continue its experiment; reduce the number of bears by liberalizing hunting, and see if DLP numbers drop, and moose numbers climb. At least the state is willing to experiment with pro active game management!

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    I have a pretty hard time believing this too.....

    "At that rate, the entire Kenai brown bear population has a 33 percent chance of being wiped out in 25 years, he said. In just a few years the number would drop below 500, which is considered "evolutionary not viable," Morton said.

    Sheep hunting...... the pain goes away, but the stupidity remains...!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post

    " In just a few years the number would drop below 500, which is considered "evolutionary not viable," Morton said.

    And just a couple years ago they claimed the population was under 300 bears right? Was that considered "evolutionary not viable,"? And what in the world does "evolutionary not viable," mean? That they can't eventually become dolphins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vance in AK View Post
    And what in the world does "evolutionary not viable," mean? That they can't eventually become dolphins?
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    I think it means having less than 500 bears would limit the species from evolving to be as strong and heathy as it possibly can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vance in AK View Post
    And just a couple years ago they claimed the population was under 300 bears right? Was that considered "evolutionary not viable,"? And what in the world does "evolutionary not viable," mean? That they can't eventually become dolphins?
    Clueless in Kenai...
    Very good point! So at the time when they were estimating a population of 300 bears, and still allowing some hunting, did they feel that the population was on the verge of extinction? Then why no effort then to list as a threatened subspecies? And why the much higher bar now? Hmmm.... could it be that the parkies just don't like seeing "their" animals hunted and killed?

    Perhaps the very high numbers of bears killed by hunters this year, as compared to the past 40 years, is indicative of an unnaturally high population, and we will see that number drop rather quickly once the population is brought back to a more natural level. Just ask black bear baiters in Unit 16 if that sort of thing ever happens

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    Heck.....if they are crying now about too many bears being killed this year, wait till this coming spring when black bear baiting starts. Then you're gonna see some brown bears killed.
    Sheep hunting...... the pain goes away, but the stupidity remains...!!!

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    Yep........I would expect a E/O end of May.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post
    Heck.....if they are crying now about too many bears being killed this year, wait till this coming spring when black bear baiting starts. Then you're gonna see some brown bears killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vance in AK View Post
    And just a couple years ago they claimed the population was under 300 bears right? Was that considered "evolutionary not viable,"? And what in the world does "evolutionary not viable," mean? That they can't eventually become dolphins?
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    No, it means they won't become polar bears; the next step in their transition to sea mammal (apparently every land mammal's destiny). They just need anther million years or so Vance.

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