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    Looking at getting a drahthaar. Was curious who everyone went through, their experiences, costs etc. Not planning on getting one soon probably at least a two year time frame. Any recommended reading, things to think about. This will be my first hunting dog I have had dogs all my life but they have all been house pets. My current is a German Shepard/sled dog mix that is turning 10 this year.

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    Drahthaar's are awesome dogs. I've owned two WHP and I'm on my second Drahthaar (in the last 34 years).... The Drahthaar is a Better hunter than the WHP. Easier to train, more instinctive in the hunting skills. I was very happy with the WHP breed also though. Downside is they are expensive. They are getting to be a little more available. Breeders are online with most the info you need. But shipping by air is very expensive. I was hunting with a 5 month old pup today and was very impressed with his progress. He found birds that went down in the long grass. Also ran down and captured a crippled Sharptail. Good to be hunting with a Drahthaar again.....

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    Be careful what and where you buy. I bought a wirehair puppy 30 years ago. She was always sharp around people, a fear biter, and she never did swim voluntarily. That's probably why I have labs today.

    I would find out about the temperaments and hunting ability of both the sire and dam of the litter you are considering. I would insist on talking with clients of the breeder to find out the temperament and natural abilities of the line of dogs they sell and make sure my pup was from the same lines as the dogs I inquired about. Even then there are no guarantees.

    My Drathaar/wirehair (Still am not sure of the difference as the terms were somewhat interchangeable way back when) was not all bad. She was very birdy, liked to retrieve, and very devoted to me, if no one else. She was kind of a creeper on point but not excessive. I swear she had a sense of humor.

    One big memory of her was on a river, while I was sighting in my 300 mag before hunting season. I put her on a sit stay behind me and concentrated on my rifle and scope. After a few shots I looked through my scope in horror as I saw my dog downrange checking out where I was shooting. She could stay sitting for 2 or 3 shots but after the 5 or 6 I had shot she just knew something out there needed to be checked out and retrieved. That ended my sighting in that day as I was somewhat shaken.

    You should have seen her when I shot my first caribou with her along. It was a long shot and she hadn't seen the boos. I walked out to it, with her all excited because of the shot, out front. She got downwind of the downed boo. She didn't get birdy but stalked to the new scent cautiously. She was really pretty tentative when she saw it, half circling it slowly, sniffing and looking. At about 2 feet from it she suddenly jumped it, grabbed an ear and started shaking and pulling. I was laughing pretty hard.

    Tom Rothe should be in the Eagle River phone book. He and Ann have had Drathaars for a long time and should be able to give you good advice on breeders.

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    Read about the Drahthaar breed. http://www.vdd-gna.org/

    These are not the same as the AKC Wiredhaired Pointer. The Drahthaar has much stricter breeding standards. The dog has to prove its hunting abilities through testing, before it can be bred. Big dif between the Drahthaar and the GWP....

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    Pipercub, could you say something about their coats too. My Wirehair had a fuzzyish coat. It would soak up when wet and collected snowballs that grew pretty big in size in the right conditions. This was mostly in her armpits, back of the legs, behind the ears, and her feet. Her feet would get snowballs which turned to ice and sandpapered her pads. Her feet could get very sore, red, and raw from this. She was pretty miserable sometimes in snow. That, plus I could never trust her around people are the deal breakers for me on ever getting another one.

    For as fuzzy as she was, her coat was very thin.

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    the drahthaar and the wirehair have similar coats. The coats can be as thick as the griffon or as thin as the shorthair. you need to look at the parents to decide if it is the right density. all of the above dogs have webbed feet for swimming. webbed feet collect iceballs and the dogs learn how to chew them out. I skijor with my dogs all winter long. the worst snow is the wetter kind. we have dry snow most of the winter. i hunt birds in the winter and these dogs can run all day long. they are an amazing breed, their endurance is incredible....they can handle the cold.

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    The only Drats I knew were Jenny Horstman's, when she lived up here. Her dogs were very pleasant and well trained. The best story I have of Jenny's dogs is the time she showed me how her female would track a trail to a downed animal, then flip a tab hanging on her collar into her mouth and go back to get Jenny...Holding the tab meant she had found something and wanted Jenny to follow her...

    I always thought it would fun to have one, if I ever decided to go to a pointing dog... One good thing about the Drat is that if you buy a pup registered as such (the german/european breed) you know the parents have had to go through a literal smorgasbord - no pun iintended, lol - of testing in order to be bred...and the breeders keep SUPER records of their breedings...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pipercub View Post
    Drahthaar's are awesome dogs. I've owned two WHP and I'm on my second Drahthaar (in the last 34 years).... The Drahthaar is a Better hunter than the WHP. Easier to train, more instinctive in the hunting skills. I was very happy with the WHP breed also though. Downside is they are expensive. They are getting to be a little more available. Breeders are online with most the info you need. But shipping by air is very expensive. I was hunting with a 5 month old pup today and was very impressed with his progress. He found birds that went down in the long grass. Also ran down and captured a crippled Sharptail. Good to be hunting with a Drahthaar again.....
    Piper Cub I found this old post and thought Id reach out to you. I moved to Sterling from Colorado in November and have two Drahthaars and started looking aloud today for other Draht owners, and I came across your post here. If youd like to chat send me a pm and we can exchange contact info. I assume that you fly a Cub? I have an Maule M6

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    Tony,

    There are several Drahthaars around and a few of them have their own plane and pilot trained to take them to the hunts. Mine mostly ride in the truck though. If you get up to Fairbanks, we have some VDD sponsored training days set up in the summer that are good for meeting folks and now a few evening indoor sessions in the winter. The Alaska-Yukon NAVHDA group is very active south of the range. I dont know of any Drahthaars in Sterling, but there are certainly hunters with dogs on the Kenai peninsula and several around Anchorage. Welcome to Alaska! My e-mail is vomborealen@gmail.com if you want to exchange contact info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akskycowboy View Post
    Piper Cub I found this old post and thought Id reach out to you. I moved to Sterling from Colorado in November and have two Drahthaars and started looking aloud today for other Draht owners, and I came across your post here. If youd like to chat send me a pm and we can exchange contact info. I assume that you fly a Cub? I have an Maule M6

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    Hello Tony, congrats on escaping the State of Colorado! There are three of us (that I know of) that hunt with Drahts out of planes (or trucks & ATVs).
    I also skijor behind one. Can't say I ever hunt down your way-but, do fish... The Alaskan NAVHDA groups should have some records of breeders/hunters down your way if you are looking for local hunting knowledge... Bird hunting with a plane in Alaska is about as good as it gets. Watch out for cow moose with calves, wolves & porcupines though. I once landed & let a 6 month old pup out and before I could pull the shotgun out of the gun boot, the pup had quills in his paw! My last Draht came out of Wyoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipercub View Post
    Hello Tony, congrats on escaping the State of Colorado! There are three of us (that I know of) that hunt with Drahts out of planes (or trucks & ATVs).
    I also skijor behind one. Can't say I ever hunt down your way-but, do fish... The Alaskan NAVHDA groups should have some records of breeders/hunters down your way if you are looking for local hunting knowledge... Bird hunting with a plane in Alaska is about as good as it gets. Watch out for cow moose with calves, wolves & porcupines though. I once landed & let a 6 month old pup out and before I could pull the shotgun out of the gun boot, the pup had quills in his paw! My last Draht came out of Wyoming.
    I raised and trialed German Shorthair Pointers for nearly 30 years. I had some real good ones too. Then I started getting old and had my knees replaced and got out of bird hunting altogether. Fast forward 10 years and my son who is now married and lives right in the thick of the North American pheasant population calls me and says he wants to get a bird dog. So we went to some sanctioned trials and looked. My son is the absolute perfectionist when it comes to all things hunting and shooting related. I only saw one Shorthair at that trial that I would even own. The rest of them had been breed full of at least minor bad traits. Small heads, cow hocked back legs, blazes on their faces etc. The AKC is about making money and you can about get away with registering any dog with them and it was obvious at this trial. I told my son to research it a bit. Researching German Wirehairs lead us to researching the true Drahthaar line out of Germany. There is no margin for error in their registration process. Only dogs proven through a series of tests are allowed to breed and be registered as a DD.

    We drove all the way across Iowa and into Illinois to visit breeders Lenny and Patty Chase and to look at some champion bloodline Drahthaars. I liked everything the breeder was telling me including the commitment that comes with owning a Draht.. I took the breeder aside and told him that I wasn't going to plunk down the $500 deposit until I had a chance to talk to my son and see how committed he was going to be to the process of training her and getting her to the tests! My son and I had all the way home to talk about it. I had to hide my smile as he was very fired up about owning a Draht and really making something out of it.

    My son's Draht Maggie has passed all of her test to date and next up is the breed test. She was recently voted as dog of the year for The Heartland Chapter of The DD, which is basically the Midwest. She scored a 76 out of a possible 77 on her initial test and that was the highest score in the country for a dog under 1 year of age. She won't be 2 years old until June. We have had several calls from breeders that want to breed to Maggie Von Whatever it is! She is the best dog that I have ever hunted behind at 1 year and 8 months old!

    As for me,my knees haven't bothered me for 5 years so I was going to train Maggie at least starting out but she went home with my son who lives 2 hours away. He fixed that a few days later when he arranged for one of the best German Shorthair breeders around to present me with a GSP Mosegaard shorthair pup, he was out of my old bloodline and was perfect in every way. My Shorthair Roy is 4 months younger than Maggie and is the best Shorthair that I have ever owned. He has that big ole block head and is very smart. However training him on obedience is all that I have had to do. He has learned all the ropes in the field from following that kinky haired Drahthaar around. We hunt every minute we can giving them all the exposure that they can get.

    When it comes to upland game birds Maggie and Roy are equal in search and point. They both retrieve birds to the hand but that is where being equal ends. When it comes to water and webbed footed birds the Draht leaves the Shorthair in the dust. She is also faster on foot than my shorthair.

    I am an old guy at the end of my run and for me I have lived my life with German Shorthair pointers and I hunt only pheasants. My Roy is perfect for me. However if I were a younger man and had more get up and go I would buy a Drahthaar and not look back. They don't come cheap as we paid a grand for Maggie when she was 8 weeks old. Knowing what I know now I would have paid twice that!

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