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    Default .44mag 270gr hard cast load?

    I picked up a box of Stoner 270gr. hard cast a while back and got ready to load them up tonight, only to find my lyman book doesn't have a load for them and I can't seem to find any on the google machine, anyone have a starting point? Thanks in advance!

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    I can't recomend the practice, but I'd look at data for 250 gr cast bullets, 300gr cast bullets and split the difference in max charges and work up. If using H-110 or W-296 the standard warning about reduced starting loads applies, i.e. don't do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul H View Post
    I can't recomend the practice, but I'd look at data for 250 gr cast bullets, 300gr cast bullets and split the difference in max charges and work up. If using H-110 or W-296 the standard warning about reduced starting loads applies, i.e. don't do it.
    Thanks Paul, I just noticed I didn't note in my original post that the two pistol powders I have available to me are Bullseye and Blue Dot, i'd really like to find a Blue Dot recipe since I have a few pounds of that.

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    I'd be cautious with blue dot as it has a tendency of pressure spiking with some combinations of bullets and chamberings so would be leary of extrapolating blue dot data. It is an excellent powder in some applications.
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    Check out this link http://www.lasc.us/fryxell44overweight.htm

    I usethis as a guide with Win 296. I am shooting 310gr HC in front of 21 grains of 296 with good results.
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    Default Good ole Lyman Data

    Lyman 47th.
    275 gr. Cast, Blue Dot, 13.2 to 16.7 grains.

    Lyman 49th
    270 gr. JSP, Blue Dot, 12.7 to 14.2 grains.

    I like that bullet. I've loaded it with H or IMR 4227 and H110.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKElkHunter View Post
    Check out this link http://www.lasc.us/fryxell44overweight.htm

    I usethis as a guide with Win 296. I am shooting 310gr HC in front of 21 grains of 296 with good results.
    Good reading, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    Lyman 47th.
    275 gr. Cast, Blue Dot, 13.2 to 16.7 grains.

    Lyman 49th
    270 gr. JSP, Blue Dot, 12.7 to 14.2 grains.

    I like that bullet. I've loaded it with H or IMR 4227 and H110.

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    Smitty, I've got the Lyman 49th, I looked at that JSP data but I was under the impression jacketed bullet data was not interchangeable with lead bullets?

    Thanks for the help fellas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limon32 View Post
    Smitty, I've got the Lyman 49th, I looked at that JSP data but I was under the impression jacketed bullet data was not interchangeable with lead bullets?

    Thanks for the help fellas!
    My understanding is that a cast bullet of the same weight and bearing surface will have less ess friction, and even give a bit higher velocity.

    I would sooner use jacketed bullet data for a cast bullet of- the same weight, than vice versa, but either for either should give you guidance. You get more pressure with a jacket and less with cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    My understanding is that a cast bullet of the same weight and bearing surface will have less ess friction, and even give a bit higher velocity.

    I would sooner use jacketed bullet data for a cast bullet of- the same weight, than vice versa, but either for either should give you guidance. You get more pressure with a jacket and less with cast.

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    Thanks again, I suppose I'll try that min. load out of the manual with Blue Dot and see if I can still type to report back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limon32 View Post
    Thanks again, I suppose I'll try that min. load out of the manual with Blue Dot and see if I can still type to report back!
    You is crackin me up.

    Data for Jacketed bullets is considered safe for cast bullets, because there is less friction. Therefore less pressure, and more velocity.

    That doesn't mean that Blue Dot is a good powder choice, or a particular load will be without problems in your gun.

    My point is a general one about the data.

    Maybe someone else can set your mind at ease, or correct my advice, if it's incorrect.

    I like cast bullets. For one thing, they don't wear your barrel like Jacketed bullets. In 44 Mag. they seem to have important advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    You is crackin me up.

    Data for Jacketed bullets is considered safe for cast bullets, because there is less friction. Therefore less pressure, and more velocity....Maybe someone else can set your mind at ease, or correct my advice, if it's incorrect....
    Smitty is correct. Data for jacketed bullets is safe for cast bullets of similar weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    You is crackin me up.

    Data for Jacketed bullets is considered safe for cast bullets, because there is less friction. Therefore less pressure, and more velocity.

    That doesn't mean that Blue Dot is a good powder choice, or a particular load will be without problems in your gun.

    My point is a general one about the data.

    Maybe someone else can set your mind at ease, or correct my advice, if it's incorrect.

    I like cast bullets. For one thing, they don't wear your barrel like Jacketed bullets. In 44 Mag. they seem to have important advantages.

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    ha ha ha... No worries, I did a little google searching too which seemed to point that direction, I was hoping someone I recognized on here could confirm, which you did and I appreciate! I couldn't pass on the opportunity for an easy joke!

    I bought blue dot a year or so ago because it appeared that it would work in all the pistols I was loading for at the time. I'm not after anything special, I won't be shooting off a bench and I'm happy buying my bear bullets loaded, I just want something that will come out the right end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    Smitty is correct. Data for jacketed bullets is safe for cast bullets of similar weight.
    Thanks, I appreciate the second!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    You is crackin me up.

    Data for Jacketed bullets is considered safe for cast bullets, because there is less friction. Therefore less pressure, and more velocity.

    That doesn't mean that Blue Dot is a good powder choice, or a particular load will be without problems in your gun.

    My point is a general one about the data.

    Maybe someone else can set your mind at ease, or correct my advice, if it's incorrect.

    I like cast bullets. For one thing, they don't wear your barrel like Jacketed bullets. In 44 Mag. they seem to have important advantages.

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    Well Smitty I can still type, it appears your advice was good! Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limon32 View Post
    Well Smitty I can still type, it appears your advice was good! Thanks again!
    With both hands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    With both hands?

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    Ha ha ha... Yup!

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    You should try my 310 grain hard cast..... They work real nice with 21.5 grain of h110 ... A great brownie load...Ramshot enforcer is also a great option for big cast bulets..... And of course 2400 or unique are kinda the standard for many many different sized cast bullets in many cal's ......
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