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    Default Who would buy a used 200-350 HP fourstroke outboard?

    I am converting my boat from an I/O to outboard. The boat needs 200hp or more. I have found a few 225hp Hondas and Yamahas for $7-$10k with variable hours, some are counter rotation motors. These are for sale from the local outboard shops. A new outboard of 200-350 HP can't seem to be bought without having the dealer install them (warranty issue); and then the price is $20-$35K (but you can finance it).

    So who out there would gamble and spend $7-$10 (still real money not financiable) on a 500-1000 hour 2003-2006 225hp, and who out there wouldn't and would prefer to spend the big money and get a warranty?

    In reality I have money and credit, but I am thinking about taking the gamble because lets be honest it is 1/3 of the cost, and I am fully capable of doing the work to install the motor.

    I know that the motors should be capable of 2,000 hours. I'd put on 100 hours a year on this rig (I have 3 other boats).

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    Perhaps the better question is, who replaces a perfectly good 2003-2006 4 stroke engine? Odds are the used engine is off of a charter boat and the charter replaced the engine because it wasn't worth a rebuild, or they were running twins and blew one engine and decided to replace both and the not yet blown engine is being sold.

    Personally I'd stay far away from a used charter engine, whether it had 500 or 1000 hours on it. Those guys run their engines hard.
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    220+ views and only one comment?

    Thanks for replying Paul H. Whether used in charter service or not, and engine should be able to be run at 80% of its top rated RPM "forever". A report of the engine's operating history will tell this.

    It is a good question, why were these motors removed?

    I happen on own a 2001 Honda BF90 that was previously sunk and removed as part of an insurance claim, and I rebuilt it with parts from another motor and have had many many hours put on it and I now consider it to be a reliable engine.


    Ok so with no comments posted, people do not feel comfortable buying a used motor from a reputable dealer who says the motors are good? Yet people do this all the time with cars/trucks/suvs? $7-10K is too much....?

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    I would have no problem buying a used motor as long as you could plug into it and have computer give you code history, and a compression test, Also I always see on the forum guys bashing guides about running their boats hard this is untrue guides always make sure that their boats are ready to run which includes service and maintenance on their engines and yes if they do have one that fails they replaced both. Besides they can't run wide open all the time they would beat their clients to death so they run their motors just like any other Boater would.
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    All I can relate is a story of some friends who got a used charter boat with twin yammie 225's and within the first season one of the powerheads went South to the tune of a $9k repair. I guess you could look at it as the used engine plus a new power head is still less money than a complete new engine so you are ahead. It comes down to how much time you have and how much you value your time. That power head replacement could be at the beginning of a season and you loose a season's worth of use out of the boat and the failure might occur at a less than ideal time and location.

    As far as an engine being able to be run at 80% rpm "forever" it depends on how the engine is propped and how heavily it is loaded. An engine that is over-propped on a heavy boat will have alot more wear and tear than the same engine on a lighter boat that is correctly propped.

    I don't mean to bash guides, but there is a reason engine manufacturers have a different warranty if an engine is used on a guides boat. They typically see much harder use than a pleasure boat. And a guide is not going to repower if he has a perfectly good engine, he repowers when the risk of engine failure is high enough that he can't afford to loose part of a season if an engine goes out.

    I have no problem buying a used car, but if it has a problem I'm a 15-30 minute tow from the shop and I can call my wife or kids to pick me up. Completely different ball game on the water.

    For how I use my boat and the precious little free time I have to use it, reliability is of the utmost importance to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Fishkiller View Post
    I would have no problem buying a used motor as long as you could plug into it and have computer give you code history, and a compression test,
    Not all motors will hold codes in the computer. Mine were 2005 Yamaha 115's and they didn't hold anything. Basically only the newer motors are that smart. Mine were charter ran for a couple years and had 1700 hours on them. They ran great until I took them out. As long as they have some solid maintenance records, you'd be fine buying some used charter motors. One thing to check on is compression and oil pressure. Other than that, they run forever. "in most cases"
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    Probaly cost another grand to get it here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/350428311049...84.m1423.l2649

    I bought a used 140 w/ 26 hours for about 1/2 of new, it came off a pontoon boat, wrong size motor so the owner swapped it. I bought it from the dealer who sold it originally and made the swap...its been a great motor, maybe I got lucky?

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    It's always a gamble when buying used. Have a trusted source check it out and roll with it. I have bought both used and new. My river boat has a used motor (Suzuki DF140) with 900 hours on it and runs perfect (purchased with 400 hrs). My ocean boat has a Honda (purchased new) with almost 600 hours and needs a tune up. You never know.

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    It seems like for half the money you are talking about you could rebuild the IO and the motor, and have a very reliable setup that could last for many years. If it is a gas motor, then adding a fuel vapor sensor would be a good addition to make it safer. Going to an outboard you also have the risk of changing the handling of the boat unless you know someone that has done the same thing before.
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    jrogers - nope the engine and drive are already removed and probably been melted down to who knows what. It as a very old OMC.

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    Charter operators put more hours on in a season than the average recreational boater. That does not mean that they run the s&%t out of their gear. They are able to spend the $$$ for the maintenance and preventive stuff on a more regimented basis due to it being a business expense than the recreational guy who has to take it out of pocket with no write off.

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    To answer your ?, I would go NEW.

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    What size boat and how are you going to mount them? I have set a few boats up with out boards after removing I/O's. If you have questions PM me. Good luck

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    Sobie2, kind of sounds like you've made up your mind to buy used. As several mentioned its a gamble - and it is, it always is when you buy used. If your willing to have the engine checked out (computer checked if capable) otherwise, compression tested etc would give me a little more piece of mind. Guess it really depends on your personal situation. If you plan to keep this boat till you die (or at least for a long time) then I might buy new. But if I was to only keep it for a few years, and I wasn't planning on any real long range trips, and I could afford to break down then I would buy used.

    I've done both over the years. Currently for me, my ocean boat I bought with 2 used diesel inboards with about 110 hrs on them (basically new IMO), and my river boat was used when I purchased it, and its engine had 130 hours on it. I've have some issues with my diesels from time to time, but my 150 Yamaha OB has been running like a top minus a water pump. And I had both tested before I bought the boats.

    My own personal limit for a used engine purchase is one with less than 300 hours. But then again about 4 years ago I was just a few moments away from buying a 10 year old CustomWeld IB jet with 18 hours on it, thought it was a pretty good deal but was nervous why so low on hours. Ran into the guy on the water (flagged down due to breakdown), after talking a bit and giving him a ride, I found out he's only put another 40 hours on the boat (over 2 seasons) because its been in the shop most of the time since he bought it. So you just never know.

    For me, if I can afford it, I buy new when I can for the piece of mind. Good luck with your decision. Give us an update in a year or two once you complete your purchase.
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