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    Default Borough permit required to camp along haul road

    Anyone see the notice in yesterday's paper from the North Slope Borough? Can't find an on-line link, but it was in the public notices in yesterday's paper. They are requiring a borough permit to camp within the portion of the Dalton transportation corridor that's inside the borough, basically anywhere north of Chandalar Shelf, no matter who's land you're camping on. If you want to hunt up there this year, you better plan to get a permit from them. It says they will be patrolling and will charge $300 plus $100/day for campers in violation, $1000 + $1000/day for commercial operators in violation.

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    Default Is this legal?

    I don't see how they could charge a fee if your not on their property.
    Can anyone shed more light on this? For instance what if your parked but not camped within the corridor?
    Also where do you get a permit?
    How much?

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    It is legal for the North Slope Borough to charge fees for camping on Borough land...

    the fees do have to pass the reasonable test though... and the fines cannot really go any higher than the $300 they listed... anything more than that gets into criminalty...

    It sucks, but they can do it!!

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    Isn't the Haul road a State road and not a borough road. If so, I don't think they can legally charge you to camp on a state pullout which is in a state right-of -way.

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    Yeah, the haul road is a state road, and the land on either side is Federally owned up to about Slope Mountain then State owned beyond that. I'm not a laywer, but:
    • I suspect they're within their rights to require a bourough permit or business license from commercial operators in the borough, as long as it applies equally to all operators in all parts of the borough.
    • I suspect they do have the right to require a permit of anyone using borough land for any purpose.
    • I suspect they do not have the right to require a permit of recreational campers on federal or state land, and I imagine they would loose in court over it. However I don't have the time or money to be the test case, so I just wait and see where this goes.
    Another intersting point is that the notice in the paper said camping and related activities. It didn't say hunting or fishing but if that's what they're getting at then they're on really shaky ground. That would effectively be requiring a borough hunting license and they absolutely don't have the authority to manage game or regulate hunting on state and federal lands.

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    Cool Cha-ching!

    The borough finally found a way to make a lot of money without angering the local constituency.

    I just sent off an e-mail to the North Slope Borough requesting info regarding cost, etc.

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    Default Sucker Tax

    I lived in Barrow for a couple of years. This is what some gov't officials referred to as a "sucker tax" when I was there. The Borough Police does NOT patrol that corridor, nor does the Borough pay locals to do it. They simply post a notice in the paper and sit back and collect the sucker tax that some folks will actually mail to them. They learned this from the Native Village of Barrow and UIC who have been "requiring" outsiders to purchase a land use or hunting permit for years. Only outsiders who knew no better actually purchased them, but lets face it, sucker taxes are the fairest tax of all because they are voluntary. No one ever took action on someone who didn't get the permit, because they had no authority. Show me where a Borough official has the authority to demand an ID or statement from a camper.
    My two cents- which, if you accept it, is worth the price of a Borough sucker permit.

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    Default Sucker tax

    Interesting??
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    here is what i recieved in my e-mail today from the nsb permiting department, i e-mailed them about the info on this permit.


    Good Morning Mr. Harter:

    The NSB Planning Department, Permitting & Zoning Division is the entity that is administering the process
    for acquiring a permit to camp along the haul road within the North Slope Borough boundaries. The Chandlar
    area along the Dalton Highway up into the oilfields is within the North Slope Borough boundaries.

    The permit fee for campers is $200.00
    The permit fee for Guides/Transporters/Outfitters is $2000.00

    The North Slope Borough (NSB) has always had this authority through the municipal codes of Title 19,
    and has decided to require a permit due to the fact that competition has begun to occur for the natural
    resources that are within the NSB boundaries.

    You may contact Martha I. Falk at the email address listed below, or call her at (907) 852-0440x226. If she is not
    available please contact any of the other persons listed either by email or by calling (907) 852-0440, regarding information for the permitting process for the Dalton Highway

    martha.falk@north-slope.org
    gordon.brower@north-slope.org
    susan.kittick-atos@north.slope.org
    Jonathan.AikenJr@north-slope.org
    roy.varner@north-slope.org
    Waska.WilliamsJr@north-slope.org

    Once an application is filled out you can mail the application and the permit fee (check) to the following address:

    North Slope Borough Planning Department
    P.O. Box 69
    Barrow, Alaska 99723

    Attached is a Land Management Regulations Permit Application. When the application is filled out you must
    also submit a "Plan of Operations" which is a description of your proposed activities.


    Cordially,

    Martha I. Falk,
    Land Management Specialist

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    I would like to know what the diffenition of camping or camper is. If you spend the night and sleep in your vehicle, does that fall under camping? If so all the truckers that stop for the night will have to have that permit. Who are they going to have to enforce it? What a bunch of crap!!!

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    Also the road width is 200 feet wide. If your within 100 feet of the centerline, do they have jurisdiction there too? It applies to all residents of the area too I would suppose.

    The North Slope Borough (NSB) has always had this authority through the municipal codes of Title 19,
    and has decided to require a permit due to the fact that competition has begun to occur for the natural
    resources that are within the NSB boundaries.
    Begun when and how would an area as small as the road affect the entire 800,000 something acres?

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    Default What a joke

    Regulating the competition for natural resources is the job of the Alaska Department of Natural Resources and the Alaska Department of Fish & Game...NOT the North Slope Borough. The NSB had better define what they mean by "campers" too. Are the Alyeska workers at the pump stations north of Chandalar "camping" within the corridor? None of them reside there full time. How about the tourists that stay at the Prudhoe Bay Hotel or the Arctic Caribou Inn in Deadhorse? I don't see this one going very far.

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    well she told me even if you are sleeping in your truck it is still considered camping, any thing parked longer then 6 hours is considered a camp site, THATS CRAZY, and when i asked her if the residents of the north slope bourgh had to pay the same fee for a permit, she told me that she cant answer that and would have to consult her legal department to see if she had to answer that question, i told her this was a joke and that i should start a petition on this, she then told me that she was no longer aloud to talk with me and that she would never answer anouther question that i had about it, i also asked her where all the money from the permit goes to, she told me that that question only matters to bourgh residents and enforcement, I CANT BELIEVE WHAT I AM HEARING,

    she also said that it will be strictly enforced

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    I emailed them to define what a camper is and who applies to? What if I sleep in my vehicle for one night and then move, am I camping? what about all the truckers that pull over and sleep, does this apply to them? and how about that $200.00 price tag, a year pass from BLM isnt but a $100.00. I thought in order to charge a fee a service had to be provided? what service do we get for 200 bucks?

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    i am with you akhunter,

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    I see that my email was read and deleted by martha with no response, do you think they will charge the truckers, of course not. I just sent an email to the Governors office on this subject. This is just like what was happening a couple years ago. If you remember the Troopers writing all kinds of parking tickets which cost us over a $100.00. The Trooper was quick to point out we could contest the ticket but we had to do so in person in Barrow. Like anyone would spend 4 or 5 hundered dollars to contest a 100 dollar ticket, Money in the bank.

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    akhunter02 and harterstaxidermy

    Sent you both a pm about this.

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    Default BLM

    I sent an email to BLM to see their responce. It might be handy to notify Carlise and other trucker firms that their drivers can not stop for longer than 6 hours now and may not meet DOT regulations for driving times without rest.

    More questions: If you have a RUG and are parked on the pipline right-of-way, can they charge you for camping there?

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    Sounds like "Highway Robbery" literally!

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    Question "Camping/parking fee"

    Seems to me someone in an official legal capacity with the state needs to weigh in on whether of not THIS IS LEGAL ... BEFORE some people start blindly sending in $!!!

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