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    Default Kenai DIDSON up and running...

    One for the record books...

    DIDSON saw ZERO kings on the inaugural day of counting for 2013
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    So multiply that by 1.55 for the total, right? Water is also muddy with debris and the surface temp is still in the 30's, still surprised they didn't count any but like everything else hopefully they are late. I know the saltwater fishing out of deep creek was really good last week, hopefully that is a good sign.

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    One for the record books...

    DIDSON saw ZERO kings on the inaugural day of counting for 2013

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    Four days of counting and we're now up to 22 fish.

    Lots of hooligan

    Water temp 43 deg F.

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/sf/FishCo...ook#fishCounts
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    Early Run Kenai River Chinook Inseason Summary for Tue. May 21

    King salmon run update:

    It is too early in the run to correctly interpret end of season run strength. On May 19 the daily estimated passage of king salmon was 2 fish for a season total of 22 king salmon through May 19.
    There is an emergency order in effect restricting king salmon fishing on the Kenai River to catch and release fishing.
    The emergency order can be found at the following link:
    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static-sf...KS-1-11-13.pdf
    No changes to inseason management are anticipated at this time.

    The next update will be on Friday, May 24.
    Fishery Update:

    Fishing effort is very low and no catches of king salmon have been reported by anglers who have been fishing. Hooligan passage at the sonar site has been heavy at times.
    Water Conditions:

    Water clarity: Fair; last visibility readings 1.00 meters at river mile 15.3, and 0.8 meters at the river mile 8.6 sonar station.
    Water flow/current: 3,180 ft3/sec today vs 48 yr median (3,300 ft3 / sec). Water is slightly lower than average.
    Water temperature: May 20 at sonar station 43°F.
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    Time will tell.


    For whatever it might be worth—or not—the robins this year arrived very late from other years I've recorded . . anywhere from one to three weeks late.

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    Wed saw 51 kings pass the DIDSON for a season total of 109 for the first week's cumulative king count.
    Lotsa hooli's in the river, water temp 45 deg F.
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    The season summary and fish count hotline are only being updated twice a week, but I see that the actual daily DIDSON estimates are being published here...

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/sf/FishCo...ook#/estimates

    Once there, just click on the link that says Click to Show/Hide DIDSON Threshold Data Table

    I believe these are the cumulative raw numbers BEFORE applying the 1.55 expansion factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    The season summary and fish count hotline are only being updated twice a week, but I see that the actual daily DIDSON estimates are being published here...

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/sf/FishCo...ook#/estimates

    Once there, just click on the link that says Click to Show/Hide DIDSON Threshold Data Table

    I believe these are the cumulative raw numbers BEFORE applying the 1.55 expansion factor.
    That index of abundance is of fish greater than 30 inches and not adjusted for fish outside the sonar. It does not relate to the escapement goal since it doesn't represent all age classes of kings and is not expanded for fish passing outside the sonar but it is a good indicator of abundance that can be produced on a daily basis. There is an explanation for each of the indicies to tell you what it is measuring.

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    Thanks for the clarification.
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    Hotline says passage for 5/26 was 14 kings.... YTD = 218 kings.

    Looking pretty grim.

    Is the run small or just late.... or both?

    Looking at the previous 2 years DIDSON's, 2013 looks smaller than 2011 or 2012. But it's a LATE spring, and if we turn the clock back just 3-4 days on those past DIDSON's, then 2013 is right on par with 2011 and 2012, lending credence to the small and late theory.

    Either way, it ain't lookin' too good so far.
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    Lightbulb Time will tell . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    . . if we turn the clock back just 3-4 days on those past DIDSON's, then 2013 is right on par with 2011 and 2012, lending credence to the small and late theory.

    That's my bet too at this point . .

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    It looks piss poor. I have never fished the Kenai for kings and at this rate I probably never will. Sad state of affairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c6 batmobile View Post
    It looks piss poor.
    No argument here. Solidly the worst of the worst in the history of modern record-keeping.

    Small.... no doubt.

    Late.... probably.

    But even if you cycle back the DIDSON numbers from the past two years, you gotta rewind the clock EIGHT DAYS to get YTD passage comparable to what we've seen thus far for 2013. Suppose we accept the fish are eight days late... if the run continued to track proportionally with 2012 and 2011 from that point forward, it would still rank in the bottom three runs ever recorded.

    Even the test net, having already fished 15 days, has only encountered 4 kings so far.... the historic range runs from a low of 18 (in 2010) to a high of 157 (in 2003). On the other hand, it's managed to catch 82 sockeye in the same period.... right about average.

    Small... check
    Late... check
    Poor.... check
    Piss poor.... yah yoo bechah
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    So what's the story?


    Are they out there fishing them?


    Catch-and-Release?

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    Yep... nets and hooks both... dutifully releasing all that are encountered. Four for the nets, 16 for the hooks according to the summary. It's a bit early yet, but I suspect Old MacDonald should be rolling out of bed soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c6 batmobile View Post
    It looks piss poor. I have never fished the Kenai for kings and at this rate I probably never will.
    So sorry to hear that. It really was something to behold years ago. Not that I haven't been absolutely thrilled at the beauty of the last few sockeye runs, but I have to say....even when the kings were still in decent shape I pretty much gave up fishing that zoo years ago. Every once in awhile a buddy would talk me into going with him. But every time I did, I told myself........this is why I don't do this anymore. It just got to be ridiculous.

    Yes, I am greatly saddened that the Kings are at great risk now, but I'm sorry to say that I don't miss fishing for them on the Kenai in the least. But then again, I've never desired, nor fished the Russian either for the same reason. Just not my idea of a "true Alaskan wilderness experience" I guess........lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post
    So sorry to hear that. It really was something to behold years ago. Not that I haven't been absolutely thrilled at the beauty of the last few sockeye runs, but I have to say....even when the kings were still in decent shape I pretty much gave up fishing that zoo years ago. Every once in awhile a buddy would talk me into going with him. But every time I did, I told myself........this is why I don't do this anymore. It just got to be ridiculous.

    Yes, I am greatly saddened that the Kings are at great risk now, but I'm sorry to say that I don't miss fishing for them on the Kenai in the least. But then again, I've never desired, nor fished the Russian either for the same reason. Just not my idea of a "true Alaskan wilderness experience" I guess........lol
    I know what you mean, I can remember in the 80's fishing at the mouth of the Moose River, it wasn't uncommon to hook a king more then once a day………..from the shore even. It truly is a sad state what the runs have been reduced to. I for one wont join the zoo either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenaibow fan View Post
    I know what you mean, I can remember in the 80's fishing at the mouth of the Moose River, it wasn't uncommon to hook a king more then once a day………..from the shore even.
    I remember when an 80 some odd year old man caught an 72# King from shore somewhere around Moose Ck. Remember that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post
    I remember when an 80 some odd year old man caught an 72# King from shore somewhere around Moose Ck. Remember that?
    Thats crazy. You couldnt even dream of that today.
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    If we're gonna journey back in time, here's a great place to start....

    http://peninsulaclarion.com/explore-...rd-king-salmon

    Those WERE the days.
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