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    I'm thinking about picking up a Ruger SR22 to use solely as a concealed carry gun. I like the idea of this because it's small enough to fit in my pocket, I have a few thousand .22 rounds on hand already and I will be able to shoot it a lot without breaking the bank. I also like the true safety on the SR22. Are there any cons to this gun that I'm not thinking of? The most obvious con is the lack of power of a .22, but it's obviously more than enough power for self defense purposes. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corn View Post
    I'm thinking about picking up a Ruger SR22 to use solely as a concealed carry gun.... Thoughts?
    Rule #1 of Gunfighting- Have a gun.

    I'm not a huge fan of .22s for self defense, but that said, it would likely suffice to dissuade all but the most determined of attackers.
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    My wife packs a S&W M61 escort in 22lr. It's only a five shooter, but it also only weighs like 8oz and can be tucked practically anywhere. It is reliable with Winchester Super X 40gr solids and I wouldn't want to stand in front of it when she's wielding it.

    I think the main thing is to try as many kinds of ammo as you can and pick one that the gun cycles reliably with as rimfires can be finicky. I sure wouldn't want to be shot with even a 22 and believe even a 22 short to be superior to my fingernails in a real fight.

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    Any gun, regardless of it's perceived power is better than no gun in a self - defense situation. If your wife is comfortable with the SR 22, then by all means - let her carry it. I second The Kid's recommendation of trying several brands/bullet types too. Semi - autos usually seem to like certain types of ammo better than others.

    If you don't want to have to worry about ammo type and still want a rimfire - take a look at the LCR in .22 LR. It will go bang every time regardless of what kind of ammo it's fed.

    The other 299,300,000 people can have it.

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    Pretty much any gun pointed at me is going to stop me in my tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corn View Post
    I'm thinking about picking up a Ruger SR22 to use solely as a concealed carry gun. I like the idea of this because it's small enough to fit in my pocket, I have a few thousand .22 rounds on hand already and I will be able to shoot it a lot without breaking the bank. I also like the true safety on the SR22. Are there any cons to this gun that I'm not thinking of? The most obvious con is the lack of power of a .22, but it's obviously more than enough power for self defense purposes. Thoughts?
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    Check out some of the youtube videos of 22 lr shot into ballistic gelatin covered with denim. The energy transfer, the penetration and the wound channel wasn't too impressive at pistol velocites. Most of the time, the bullets failed to mushroom.

    I've chronographed speer gold dot 40 grain 22 magnum from a 4" barrel, and the velocity was right at 2,400 fps. IMO, this is a far better choice for self defense. They claimed it gives better short-barrel velocity, my chronograph proved this to be true, posting higher velocity than any other 22 magnum ammo tested. All this with a bonded gold dot bullet designed to work from pistol barrels.

    S n W makes a nice 7 shot snubby, and Taurus makes a nice 8 shot snubby. There's also those little NAA black widows, and of course the PMR 30 if you should find the need for 30 rounds. Taurus make a single action/double action revolver with interchangeable cylinders between 22 lr and 22 magnum. That would be the one to get.

    From a rifle, I can't shoot my boy's metal target with a 22 magnum, it damages the plates too much.

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    Used to know an old biker dude who carried a 22 mag snubby in his pocket. When asked why he carried a 22mag his reply was always the same, "I got shot with one and it hurt like hell!" As I've often told people across the counter at the store when they express concern that their gun may not be big enough for defensive purposes, "whether you are fighting off bears, moose, rabid dogs, or angry bad guys, a gun always trumps ones fingernails and teeth". Even the lowly 22 rimfires, anybody not on drugs is going to be put off by getting shot regardless of caliber, folks high on PCP will likely need to have a CNS hit to stop them anyway and a 22 is capable of that, ask a butcher.

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    You guys pretty much have the same thoughts as I do. I appreciate the feedback! I grew up on a farm and saw quite a few head of cattle drop like a ton of bricks from a .22. Most were dead before their knees even buckled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak View Post
    Corn,
    Check out some of the youtube videos of 22 lr shot into ballistic gelatin covered with denim. The energy transfer, the penetration and the wound channel wasn't too impressive at pistol velocites. Most of the time, the bullets failed to mushroom.

    I've chronographed speer gold dot 40 grain 22 magnum from a 4" barrel, and the velocity was right at 2,400 fps. IMO, this is a far better choice for self defense. They claimed it gives better short-barrel velocity, my chronograph proved this to be true, posting higher velocity than any other 22 magnum ammo tested. All this with a bonded gold dot bullet designed to work from pistol barrels.

    S n W makes a nice 7 shot snubby, and Taurus makes a nice 8 shot snubby. There's also those little NAA black widows, and of course the PMR 30 if you should find the need for 30 rounds. Taurus make a single action/double action revolver with interchangeable cylinders between 22 lr and 22 magnum. That would be the one to get.

    From a rifle, I can't shoot my boy's metal target with a 22 magnum, it damages the plates too much.
    You must mean 1400 fps, not 2400.

    One of my CCs is a Beretta 22LR, but I have little confidence in it.

    It's just easy to carry in my pocket when a belt holster can't be concealed, and it's better than no gun, I hope.

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    I agree that any gun is better than nothing. However, as I have seen more and more videos of police shootings my confidence in a handgun has waned. In almost every instance the BG takes multiple rounds, while returning fire. As with everything else, shot placement is key, but it can not be easy to make a good shot while being shot at or attacked. A rifle is impractical, so back to a handgun. Fortunately, most of us will never have to use it. I think that as part of the mental preperation of carrying a firearm, you should also be prepared for the BG to continue attacking, even after emptying you gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corn View Post
    I'm thinking about picking up a Ruger SR22 to use solely as a concealed carry gun. I like the idea of this because it's small enough to fit in my pocket, I have a few thousand .22 rounds on hand already and I will be able to shoot it a lot without breaking the bank. I also like the true safety on the SR22. Are there any cons to this gun that I'm not thinking of? The most obvious con is the lack of power of a .22, but it's obviously more than enough power for self defense purposes. Thoughts?
    Is there any reason you wouldn't go with a Ruger .380 ACP? I carried one in my vest pocket for a long time without anyone realizing it was there. Super compact and far more destructive to an assailant than a .22. The bigger the hole...
    Also you can reload for for the .380 unlike the .22s (the ammo for which is no easier to procure these days than that of the .380).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kid View Post
    "I got shot with one and it hurt like hell!"
    If I shoot someone it isn't going to be to hurt them so they remember it. It is going to be to hurt them so they never remember anything.

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    While shoot to kill is the often quoted advice, and I don't think it wise to try to shoot to wound. I believe the most important thing is to shoot to stop the threat, if the threat dies then so be it. But if your assailant is writhing on the ground begging for mommy and you polish him off, well there's an ex pharmacy owner from OKC who needs a cell mate. The main object is to stop the threat and the quickest way to do that is to get a bullet into them and repeat as necessary until the threat no longer exists not until the bad guy is dead, the two may be one and the same but they don't always have to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corn View Post
    . . The most obvious con is the lack of power of a .22, but it's obviously more than enough power for self defense purposes. Thoughts?

    I know personally a man who dropped an assailant with a single .22 long rifle from a Ruger semi-automatic pistol. The dead man pulled a knife on my acquaintance, who drilled the fellow dead in the heart at a distance of about 10' - 12'.


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    Happened in Paris, Texas about 20 or so years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    I know personally a man who dropped an assailant with a single .22 long rifle from a Ruger semi-automatic pistol.
    Been there, he was comin' right at me, crazy look in his beady little eyes....had to stand mah ground!
    (took a few shots, though....he was a big son of a gun)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    I know personally a man who dropped an assailant with a single .22 long rifle from a Ruger semi-automatic pistol. The dead man pulled a knife on my acquaintance, who drilled the fellow dead in the heart at a distance of about 10' - 12'.


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    Happened in Paris, Texas about 20 or so years ago.

    A bullet in the heart ends the fight rather quickly in most cases. The facts is that most shots do not find the heart and or central nervous system if the bad guy os shooting back. IMHO and belief a larger caliber is much more desirable. I like 45's personally

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    Quote Originally Posted by hodgeman View Post
    Rule #1 of Gunfighting- Have a gun.

    I'm not a huge fan of .22s for self defense, but that said, it would likely suffice to dissuade all but the most determined of attackers.
    I agree with this guy!

    My fiancé and I both carry .380s based on this same thought process. I have bigger handguns that I carry depending on the situation but the .380s get carried the most.

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    My girlfriend has a nice colt lawman in 357 which she doesn't carry. She does however carry my Ruger LCP in 380. In my opinion, the gun the woman will actually carry is far better than the one she leaves at home.

    That being said, if you are likely to not carry at all with a more substantial round, then a 22 lr pistol is perfect. If you are comfortable carrying a larger round, of course I'd recommend that.
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    One of the nice things about the .22 is that in small guns it's very "shootable" and inexpensive ammo (under "normal" circumstances at any rate) makes extended practice sessions pleasant and affordable. When you're carrying a smaller pistol being really good with it never hurt anything...

    One of the first pistols my wife carried was a Beretta 87- she loved it and shot it often and well. She eventually moved on to a Sig P230 but never enjoyed it quite like the Beretta and never shot it nearly as much.

    The smaller blowback .380s have got a pretty harsh bark which some folks find distracting. I also personally think the larger rounds like 40s and 45s are a little over-rated for typical non-LEO concealed carry since few folks either practice enough or consistently carry one enough to really make a difference. A lot of folks carry .45s....in the glove box. I packed a 1911 around for years, but eventually got tired of basing my entire wardrobe around concealing it. Hello Walther PPK.

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    I recently started re-loading for the .380s, a pound of powder goes a long ways 2gr. at a time! That load is fairly light but still enough to cycle the gun reliably, very smooth shooting with quite a bit less muzzle jump than the factory defense loads. I wouldn't use my reloads for carrying rounds but they are fun at the range.

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