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    Default Six people max on a kenai boat?

    Is there a age limit on having six on a boat? my family is six people but four of them are under ten years old! Be nice to have another adult on board.
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    I am pretty sure even an infant counts. At least it does for a guide.

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    If its a guided trip and the guide only has a 6-pac then its 6 people total plus the guide
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    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/re...egulations.pdf

    No age limit given so it is six total including the kids.
    In July on guided vessels it is 5 including the guide.
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    Wait...is there a limit on private boats? I thought the six person limit only applied to guided boats. As such, it doesn't seem like it would be an issue for Jake since he is getting his own boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    Wait...is there a limit on private boats? I thought the six person limit only applied to guided boats. As such, it doesn't seem like it would be an issue for Jake since he is getting his own boat.
    Check out pg 44 of the fishing regs (Kenai River section). Looks like these are technically Alaska State Parks guidelines. Sounds like it applies to all boats, private or guide with a couple minor exceptions for guides.

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    The regs say persons and don't mention the limitation being just to guides.
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    Wow, Don't even wanna know how many tickets I could have been given!! Learn something new every day.



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    I have some first hand experience with this one. I had myself, my buddy and our six kids in the boat. They were all between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. So relatively little guys. Me and buddy took the kids on a regular basis in the fall to drift for dollies on the Kenai. One beautiful fall day we were out drifting, kids having a ball, catching and releasing dollies, only to find the fed boys on the river. He pulls up and starts chatting with us. Not knowing we were doing anything wrong we were, quick to pull over and show license, he congratulates us on all the kids wearing life vest. He then proceeds to tell us we have to many people in the boat. He explained the limit of six people in the boat, I questioned the intent of the law. Specifically the logic of minimizing the wake of a boat. I assured him that we were not overloaded, weight wise, as we were in my willie predator. We proceeded to disagree about the law, recognizing he was merely doing his job, I decided not to shoot the messenger, not literally, and called it a day. All that said, I understand the intent of the law however it is a very poorly written law. In my case, I had a bunch of home grown Alaskan kids, enjoying a fall day of fishing and had to end it, due to a lawmaker trying to make one size fit all. I believe it is as simple as assessing a given situation for what it is and if a boat is overloaded then escort them off the river. But to say a willie boat full of kids displaces water the same as a little 16 foot john boat or lund is just plan silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avid outdoorsmen View Post
    I have some first hand experience with this one. I had myself, my buddy and our six kids in the boat. They were all between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. So relatively little guys. Me and buddy took the kids on a regular basis in the fall to drift for dollies on the Kenai. One beautiful fall day we were out drifting, kids having a ball, catching and releasing dollies, only to find the fed boys on the river. He pulls up and starts chatting with us. Not knowing we were doing anything wrong we were, quick to pull over and show license, he congratulates us on all the kids wearing life vest. He then proceeds to tell us we have to many people in the boat. He explained the limit of six people in the boat, I questioned the intent of the law. Specifically the logic of minimizing the wake of a boat. I assured him that we were not overloaded, weight wise, as we were in my willie predator. We proceeded to disagree about the law, recognizing he was merely doing his job, I decided not to shoot the messenger, not literally, and called it a day. All that said, I understand the intent of the law however it is a very poorly written law. In my case, I had a bunch of home grown Alaskan kids, enjoying a fall day of fishing and had to end it, due to a lawmaker trying to make one size fit all. I believe it is as simple as assessing a given situation for what it is and if a boat is overloaded then escort them off the river. But to say a willie boat full of kids displaces water the same as a little 16 foot john boat or lund is just plan silly.
    I understand where you are coming from. That being said the law is the law. Not all kids weigh the same. T
    here are guys and gals out there who as full grown adults weigh less than 100 pounds and then there are kids who are over 100 pounds at 10 years old. I don't believe we should leave interpretation of our laws up to the discreation of the officer on the water.
    Too much room for abuse or favoritism etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avid outdoorsmen View Post
    I have some first hand experience with this one. I had myself, my buddy and our six kids in the boat. They were all between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. So relatively little guys. Me and buddy took the kids on a regular basis in the fall to drift for dollies on the Kenai. One beautiful fall day we were out drifting, kids having a ball, catching and releasing dollies, only to find the fed boys on the river. He pulls up and starts chatting with us. Not knowing we were doing anything wrong we were, quick to pull over and show license, he congratulates us on all the kids wearing life vest. He then proceeds to tell us we have to many people in the boat. He explained the limit of six people in the boat, I questioned the intent of the law. Specifically the logic of minimizing the wake of a boat. I assured him that we were not overloaded, weight wise, as we were in my willie predator. We proceeded to disagree about the law, recognizing he was merely doing his job, I decided not to shoot the messenger, not literally, and called it a day. All that said, I understand the intent of the law however it is a very poorly written law. In my case, I had a bunch of home grown Alaskan kids, enjoying a fall day of fishing and had to end it, due to a lawmaker trying to make one size fit all. I believe it is as simple as assessing a given situation for what it is and if a boat is overloaded then escort them off the river. But to say a willie boat full of kids displaces water the same as a little 16 foot john boat or lund is just plan silly.
    I agree with Kasilofchrisn. It would be almost impossible to enforce a law that got too specific. It isn't practical to have them running around with portable scales to weight everyone and their gear to make sure they are under some specified weight limit set up for each specific boat style/model/size. If someone wants to challenge a ticket, let the interpretation be made by a judge while leaving the officers in the field with a clear tool to apply. They have a lot of other things they are watching for as well, so simpler is better. It isn't the best fit in all cases, such as yours, but then again, nothing is perfect for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasilofchrisn View Post
    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/re...egulations.pdf

    No age limit given so it is six total including the kids.
    In July on guided vessels it is 5 including the guide.

    Is that a kenai law only? Man my neighbor with his group of 9 people in a 16 foot boat might get a ticket on the Su LOL!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    Is that a kenai law only? Man my neighbor with his group of 9 people in a 16 foot boat might get a ticket on the Su LOL!!!
    Kenai only. Check pg 44 of the fishing regs. It is right there on the left side of the page ("Passenger Limit").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    Is that a kenai law only? Man my neighbor with his group of 9 people in a 16 foot boat might get a ticket on the Su LOL!!!
    Yes this only applies to the Kenai river.
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    I have a cabin there, and have a story similar to anchskier. I had one too many kids on board, and got pulled over. I played dumb, and he sent me home without a ticket. A few years later I tried the same thing, and when he ran my boat he came back and gave me a ticket. As I recall it was over $100. My guess is that he called my boat in and found that I had been warned in the past, so no second warning.
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