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    Many of the "Survival Blog" writers are strongly advising people dispose of U.S. dollars and invest in "ANYTHING" they will use at some future point in their life. Land, Farm Land, Food, Firearms, Ammo, Tools (preferable non-power tools) Ammo for trading stock, spare firearms of standard cartridge for future trade, Seeds, seeds and more seeds, Bunks of Plywood, nails, nails and more nails, Boots, Coats. You get the idea, there are a few million American families buying AMMO of all standard cartridge for investment and for future trade.

    Now You'all can say they a wacky in the head, but they have been doing this at an accellerating rate for the last three years, and every day more, and more and MORE people are seeing the light........or they are wacky in the head.

    They are not Hoarding ammo the way shooters think of hoarding.........they are buying as a "Store" of value for the future. This will accellerate and accellerate.

    (Sorry my spell check is broken)

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    Even Investment advisors...............http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli22.html


    Wall Street Journal:......................http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123984046627223159.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGL4now View Post
    They are not Hoarding ammo the way shooters think of hoarding.........they are buying as a "Store" of value for the future. This will accellerate and accellerate.

    (Sorry my spell check is broken)
    No amount of irrationality can overcome the laws of supply and demand... Hoarding can not continue unless supply is able to satisfy demand. Demand has already far outstripped supply, thus "acceleration" has come to a screeching halt.

    Common sense and history dictates that "this too shall pass". The more sensible among us can only hope that Bubba Hoarder is properly storing all his ammo in a cool dry place, so in the long run it doesn't go to waste, for what a shame that would be.

    I look forward to the day Bubba's ex old lady starts selling all his ammo at the garage sale for pennies on the dollar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    No amount of irrationality can overcome the laws of supply and demand... Hoarding can not continue unless supply is able to satisfy demand. Demand has already far outstripped supply, thus "acceleration" has come to a screeching halt.

    Common sense and history dictates that "this too shall pass". The more sensible among us can only hope that Bubba Hoarder is properly storing all his ammo in a cool dry place, so in the long run it doesn't go to waste, for what a shame that would be.

    I look forward to the day Bubba's ex old lady starts selling all his ammo at the garage sale for pennies on the dollar.


    ........I fear you will find that this time it is different.......very different. What is DIFFERENT this time..........Q1...Q2....Q3.....never ever have "HAS" the U.S. Treasury printed U.S. BONDS and selling them to the FEDERAL RESERVE......and using that to back BILLIONS & BILLIONS of printed U.S. Dollars. Money from nothing.

    It really....REALLY is different this time.

    It even feels different this time.

    DHS is sure it is different this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGL4now View Post
    Many of the "Survival Blog" writers are strongly advising people dispose of U.S. dollars and invest in "ANYTHING" they will use at some future point in their life. Land, Farm Land, Food, Firearms, Ammo, Tools (preferable non-power tools) Ammo for trading stock, spare firearms of standard cartridge for future trade, Seeds, seeds and more seeds, Bunks of Plywood, nails, nails and more nails, Boots, Coats. You get the idea, there are a few million American families buying AMMO of all standard cartridge for investment and for future trade.

    Now You'all can say they a wacky in the head, but they have been doing this at an accellerating rate for the last three years, and every day more, and more and MORE people are seeing the light........or they are wacky in the head.

    They are not Hoarding ammo the way shooters think of hoarding.........they are buying as a "Store" of value for the future. This will accellerate and accellerate.

    (Sorry my spell check is broken)
    Some, maybe even a good portion of this is probably important in parts of Alaska...however, ammo is not the currency of the future, not here and not in the rest of the country. Nobody will be walking into Safeway with a handful of .22 ammo to pick up baby formula, eggs and bread nor will the gas station have a way to pay for a tank of gas with a pocket full of .06 shells. Just ain't gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbitten View Post
    Some, maybe even a good portion of this is probably important in parts of Alaska...however, ammo is not the currency of the future, not here and not in the rest of the country. Nobody will be walking into Safeway with a handful of .22 ammo to pick up baby formula, eggs and bread nor will the gas station have a way to pay for a tank of gas with a pocket full of .06 shells. Just ain't gonna happen.
    Maybe not nationally.

    In places it will and already has happened. I have been offered several useful items in trade for ammo.

    No, it will not work in any stores. The stores will be empty if it gets that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbitten View Post
    Some, maybe even a good portion of this is probably important in parts of Alaska...however, ammo is not the currency of the future, not here and not in the rest of the country. Nobody will be walking into Safeway with a handful of .22 ammo to pick up baby formula, eggs and bread nor will the gas station have a way to pay for a tank of gas with a pocket full of .06 shells. Just ain't gonna happen.
    Yep........I just sold a Rock River Arms Upper for 2,520 rounds of green tip 62 gr. 5.56 NATO................Yep ain't never going to happen.

    What makes you think there will be a Safeway Store with any food in it..........???

    Paper dollars are just a means of exchange........a store of value, based on trust.......you trust the paper, I will trust firearms and ammo and food as a store of future value....

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    nobody...knows the future for sure. we could experience hyperinflation or deflation or just muddle along in stagflation until this generation kicks the bucket or longer. Do not underestimate the expertise of the manipulators of fiat currency and the economy for their own goals (the Federal Reserve and the International Bank of Settlements). One constant we can embrace that crosses generations regardless of economic circumstances is usable, durable goods to sustain life like .22lr or 30.06 or matches or tools or fishing nets or no debt or....whatever. Keep in mind things usually end up better than the worst we could imagine. The worst only happens once a millenium.

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    Y2K Deja Vu...
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    Look it is already happening..............and pretending that people who do not shoot are not investing in Ammo is fine. Wishing and hoping that it is going to be the way it was is fine.........BUT, the bottomline is they got ammo, and many shooters don't. You notice that people on this forum have accepted that $45.00 a brick is good enought for them to be buyers. The days of $9.99 or $19.99 or even $29.99 are history. I think with-in 5 years people will be paying $199.00 a brick for .22LR Sorry. But the truth is ammo will be the least of anyones problems in 5 years.

    We live in an Illusion of wealth & a bountyful supply of everything an American could want......It is changing before your eyes right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaHippie View Post
    Y2K Deja Vu...

    I have a question Sir.......If you really look, Does it feel like Y2K, or does it feel more serious......to you..??

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    I won't get into the religious aspects of this question, AGL, but do you really have such little faith in your fellow man (or our Constitution)? Or is society around you full of "other" men, all looking to steal your firewood at the first hint of hard times? Will no one in your future doomsday world share their fire or food?

    Unless the veritable doomsday asteroid slams into the earth, I have faith we will muddle on. Some bad, some good. At least between the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, we have some high minded goals and aspirations to guide us. One man or one party won't but scratch the paint in the long run.

    We can buff that right out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGL4now View Post
    Yep........I just sold a Rock River Arms Upper for 2,520 rounds of green tip 62 gr. 5.56 NATO................Yep ain't never going to happen.

    What makes you think there will be a Safeway Store with any food in it..........???

    Paper dollars are just a means of exchange........a store of value, based on trust.......you trust the paper, I will trust firearms and ammo and food as a store of future value....
    No worries AGL, I'm sure you'll get along in your world, and I'll get along just fine here in civilization. Good day to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGL4now View Post
    I have a question Sir.......If you really look, Does it feel like Y2K, or does it feel more serious......to you..??
    It looks very much like Y2K Sir.

    The only thing that has changed in the intervening years is the speed in which, and the access many folks have, via the interweb, to find like minded(?) doomsday theorists.

    I have a lot of repsect for you AGL, as an Old Timer you've earned it. And I mean you no ill will at all, I simply view this as eccentric behavior, as all colorful folks are prone to exemplify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGL4now View Post
    Look it is already happening..............and pretending that people who do not shoot are not investing in Ammo is fine. Wishing and hoping that it is going to be the way it was is fine.........BUT, the bottomline is they got ammo, and many shooters don't. You notice that people on this forum have accepted that $45.00 a brick is good enought for them to be buyers. The days of $9.99 or $19.99 or even $29.99 are history. I think with-in 5 years people will be paying $199.00 a brick for .22LR Sorry. But the truth is ammo will be the least of anyones problems in 5 years.

    We live in an Illusion of wealth & a bountyful supply of everything an American could want......It is changing before your eyes right now.
    People keep saying this but I pick up a few bricks every other week or so for 21.99 from sportsmans in Fairbanks. Yes you have to be there at the right time or be lucky because it goes pretty fast but it is still there at a "normal price". I just got 2 more bricks on monday at 21.99

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    One thing is different now. There is a growing number of people not working and getting their means of survival from the fewer and fewer working and creating goods. This trend CANNOT continue without a collapse of things as we know them. The end result is everyone taking from the commune and no one putting in. Communism, Socialism, Progressives, The Left, or whatever you choose to call to collectivists and their redistributing of wealth of the working class to the non working class has proven over and over not to work. They are winning and the economy we are suffering is the result. Any time it takes the government to fix a problem (even if the govt created it) we loose as it just results in more loss of freedom. The handwriting IS on the wall for those that are not so blind as they WILL not see. The printing of about 1.2 trillion per year IS inflation and guarantees that prices of goods will rise accordingly. So, buy everything you can store and use now as it WILL be more expensive shortly. When our govt decides to fix a problem such as Sandy Hook you can bet guns and ammo are going to get much more expensive rapidly. For those that think our govt is doing a fine job, just keep voting for the Progressive Party and sooner or later they will slam your eyes open for you. Buy now while you can.

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    With the amount of new gun owners that want ammo for their new guns, plus the amount of folks wanting ammo for the guns they have, plus the law enforcement agencies, plus homeland security, etc. all wanting ammo...is it any wonder that the shelves are kinda empty looking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bsj425 View Post
    People keep saying this but I pick up a few bricks every other week or so for 21.99 from sportsmans in Fairbanks. Yes you have to be there at the right time or be lucky because it goes pretty fast but it is still there at a "normal price". I just got 2 more bricks on monday at 21.99
    Today people are Giddy Happy at finding ammo...............Soon you will be giddy happy if you find some food to feed your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaHippie View Post
    It looks very much like Y2K Sir.

    The only thing that has changed in the intervening years is the speed in which, and the access many folks have, via the interweb, to find like minded(?) doomsday theorists.

    As I recall in Y2K one thing was very different........The "National" Police also known as Dept. of Homeland Security did not exist. And I just don't know why they need 7,000 Select-Fire M-16's to help with floods and other natural disasters. Yes, I am "Eccentric" but that aside.....DHS is getting ready for something, I know not what, but it ain't floods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tearbear View Post
    With the amount of new gun owners that want ammo for their new guns, plus the amount of folks wanting ammo for the guns they have, plus the law enforcement agencies, plus homeland security, etc. all wanting ammo...is it any wonder that the shelves are kinda empty looking?
    Boom, there it is. How much ammo in each cartridge do people have? Some folks feel good with a box or two, some with a case or two, some with more.
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