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    So its come up in some of the recent threads.. So what is everyones thoughts on gun safety in school.. We just had to sign a waiver to alow our oldest to participate in sex ed could or should the same be done for basic gun safety... all opinions welcome of course...

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    100% yes!!!!!!!!!!
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    I think every man and woman over the age of 18 should be issued a rifle, and allotment of ammunition, and be required to prove proficiency every couple years. Sadly, that idea is way too "socialistic" for many and will never happen in this country.

    Alternatively, I believe somehow requiring some sort of firearms orientation and safety training for everyone would be beneficial in countless ways, and foster a much more positive view of firearms ownership. However, that idea too is regarded as an onerous imposition by many.

    So, short of the above, I think firearms orientation and safety taught in the schools would be a very positive thing, as far as it goes. It would still leave out a huge number of people, many of whom while claiming to be staunch 2A defenders, seem to be very backward thinking about how to promote greater acceptance and appreciation for firearm ownership by our society as a whole.
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    Yep - iofthetaiga - Let's get Progressive and Forward thinking about how to promote greater acceptance and appreciation... And let's use the government to make it happen... I say NO. Maybe, just maybe, we should be promoting education in the educational system and self sufficiency amongst families. A good healthy dose of responsibility and self sufficiency in most American families and a lot of these problems wouldn't be problems. Or we can all stand around and wait for the governanny to take care of all of our problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydog View Post
    Yep - iofthetaiga - Let's get Progressive and Forward thinking about how to promote greater acceptance and appreciation... And let's use the government to make it happen... I say NO. Maybe, just maybe, we should be promoting education in the educational system and self sufficiency amongst families.
    So, how do you propose "promoting education in the educational system and self sufficiency amongst families", without "using the government to make it happen"? The "education system" is a public system. We are the public. We are the government. We the public determine what we want taught in our education system and implement it through we the government. It's not "us vs. the government", it's just "us".
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    Having a firearms safety class as an elective class in school is a good idea.

    Except for those schools where even an image of a gun on a fingerpainting will get a kindergartner expelled. Or schools that expell ROTC drill team members because of their drill rifles carved out of 2x4's. Or schools where you pre plan an afternoon goose hunt and have your shotgun in your truck parked off campus on a public street and get expelled when someone rats you out for "bringing a gun to school."

    Those kind of schools might have an issue with the idea.

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    Well sex ed is not mandatory that I am aware of thus having to sign a waiver for my kid to participate.. So one of the biggest things I hear from responsible gun owners and how they teach thier kids is to take the mystery out of guns and teach them to be respectfull of guns but not afraid.. So what about kids without gun owning parents how do they learn that. I do grow tired of the conspiricy theorists that pop up for every little thing.. I am not talking about gun rights here or advocating anything just wondering if something along the same lines as sex ed would be of any benefit.. I am a gun owner and a parent and the idea of a gun ed class does not give me the feeling that big brother is out to get me.. I said before that I think hunter ed is a good thing but I do understand and appreciate both sides on the mandatory thing so I am not looking to go there.

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    I already teach it in high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Ray View Post
    Having a firearms safety class as an elective class in school is a good idea.

    Except for those schools where even an image of a gun on a fingerpainting will get a kindergartner expelled. Or schools that expell ROTC drill team members because of their drill rifles carved out of 2x4's. Or schools where you pre plan an afternoon goose hunt and have your shotgun in your truck parked off campus on a public street and get expelled when someone rats you out for "bringing a gun to school."

    Those kind of schools might have an issue with the idea.
    Ray I think you are absolutely correct in that it would be a hard sell in those schools.. Wasnt there a lock down at Colony this year over an ROTC thing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveinthebush View Post
    I already teach it in high school.
    well Dave I would rep you for that if I could..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    Well sex ed is not mandatory that I am aware of thus having to sign a waiver for my kid to participate.. So one of the biggest things I hear from responsible gun owners and how they teach thier kids is to take the mystery out of guns and teach them to be respectfull of guns but not afraid..
    I think it would be a great idea. And maybe up here it would work.....as you said by signing a waver. But I doubt it would ever fly over the vast majority, as some people are so freaked out by guns they would probably have a problem just knowing there was a gun in their kid's school, regardless if it was a class put on by a trained instructor or not.
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    Default but ASD doesn't want it

    Well Bear in that other thread you heard a few ASD teachers that oppose. And as of the former administration, that opposition came directly from the top (CC).

    Maybe the thing that's needed is to tell ASD that guns are part of Alaska and gun education is an integral part of a young Alaskan's education? And after that doesn't work (again) we could just say that part of the educators' performance review will be on how well they inform and teach kids, including the topic of gun safety. I don't mean to be rude, but I do have a hard time with a high school educator that thinks that education about guns is something other than education....

    Mock guns aren't that hard to come by.... although maybe this next time we should double check with Remington that they really don't fire, and then possibly even test it ourselves..... (whoops, did I type that out loud?)

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    Believe it or not- I had gun safety in school. High school- it was part of the curriculum for a class called "Health and Safety" to be exact.

    No one brought a gun and we certainly didn't handle them so the training was rudimentary at best (another parallel to sex ed...). But they covered the basics, point in a safe direction, unloaded, etc, etc. and it was sure more gun safety than a lot of kids got at home. They even used a lot of the gun safety material from Hunter Ed (which was fairly new at the time).

    Gun safety doesn't have to be extensive to be effective...well, at least more effective than nothing at all.
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    Here is why we don't have gun safety in schools.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

    A school has a curriculum to teach with not enough time in a day, days in a school year, or faculty to do it with. Gun education is just another one of those controversial issues that administrators will have to deal with. Social Studies already has a LOT of controveral topics. Why add another?

    You want your kid to learn gun safety, teach them. Want them to learn sex ed, teach them. Worried about kids whose parents don't own guns, that's what the boy scouts are for.

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    What I mean to say is I don't feel that public schools are an appropriate venue for teaching about guns/gun safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL2AK-Old Town View Post
    Here is why we don't have gun safety in schools.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

    A school has a curriculum to teach with not enough time in a day, days in a school year, or faculty to do it with. Gun education is just another one of those controversial issues that administrators will have to deal with. Social Studies already has a LOT of controveral topics. Why add another?

    You want your kid to learn gun safety, teach them. Want them to learn sex ed, teach them. Worried about kids whose parents don't own guns, that's what the boy scouts are for.
    No disrespect to you in any way but from what I remember of highschool especially as an 11th and 12th grader was a lot of wasted time and having to take redicolous classes to fill my schedule.. I do see your point and respect it but to me guns are as real a part of real life education as shop class.. home ec..sex ed... School in the 21st century can do better then reading. writing and arithmetec..

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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    The "education system" is a public system. We are the public. We are the government. We the public determine what we want taught in our education system and implement it through we the government.
    Well said. I agree with the concept of firearms safety in schools as an elective. OUR education system needs more conservative electives to provide alternative choice to the current system. Promoting weapons familiarization and safety awareness opportunities without mandating them on students is a great idea. That is a perfect way to educate those that want to pursue more knowledge in that field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL2AK-Old Town View Post
    Here is why we don't have gun safety in schools.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

    A school has a curriculum to teach with not enough time in a day, days in a school year, or faculty to do it with. Gun education is just another one of those controversial issues that administrators will have to deal with. Social Studies already has a LOT of controveral topics. Why add another?

    You want your kid to learn gun safety, teach them. Want them to learn sex ed, teach them. Worried about kids whose parents don't own guns, that's what the boy scouts are for.
    Unfortunately, a lot of the kids who need to know gun safety don't have parents that will ever teach them. They'll end up at a party where a gun is brought out of some kid's dad's closet, that kid won't have the first clue as to gun safety maxims, and...well, it's a hypothetical situation, but not all that uncommon, I'd wager.

    I teach some rudimentary gun safety topics in my forensic science classes when we cover ballistics. I also tell every one of my students that once they're 18 years old and out of high school that I'll gladly meet them at the range and teach them how to shoot. That said, I dearly wish that we could teach it in the schools. Yes, we have a huge list of classes that we must teach along with limited time to do so. We could at least start by offering it as an elective if not as a requirement. If we wanted to move towards making it required, I'd say that there are at least a couple of required classes that could be adjusted to make room. I'm generally the last one to suggest that we add further to the list of requirements foisted upon our schools and students, but if given the chance I would jump at this one. Heck, even if I were allowed to teach it as an after school program - sign me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    Heck, even if I were allowed to teach it as an after school program - sign me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FamilyMan View Post
    Ha! Good point. I wish I were allowed to offer it in my classroom and to recruit on campus. Still, you make a fair point.

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