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    December 7th 1941.

    96 US ships are located in Pearl Harbor, but the Aircraft Carriers are gone.
    The USS Enterprise, the heavy cruisers Northampton (CA-26), Chester (CA-27), and Salt Lake City (CA-24) and nine destroyers were ferrying 12 Grumman F4F-3 Wildcats of Marine Fighting Squadron (VMF) 211 to Wake Island. During the attack on 7 December 1941 foshe was about 215 miles west of Oahu.

    The USS Lexington sailed from pearl Harbor on 5 December 1941, to ferry 18 Vought SB2U-3 Vindicators of Marine Scout Bombing Squadron 231 on Midway Island. Dawn on 7 December 1941 found Lexington, heavy cruisers Chicago (CA-29), Portland (CA-33), and Astoria (CA-34), and five destroyers about 500 miles southeast of Midway.

    The USS Saratogahaving recently completed an overhaul at the Puget Sound Navy Yard, Bremerton, Washington, reached NAS San Diego [North Island] late in the forenoon watch on 7 December. She was to embark her air group, as well as Marine Fighting Squadron (VMF) 221 and a cargo of miscellaneous airplanes to ferry to Pearl Harbor.

    Around six in the morning on December 7th (US TIME) six heavy Japanese aircraft carriers and their 24 escort ships launched the first wave of 181 attack aircraft against the US fleet and army facilities on Hawaii. They were 200 miles north of Oahu during the launch. Thirty to forty minutes later, the Japanese Fleet launched the second wave of 170 attack aircraft.

    The first Japanese Aircraft started their attacks around 8am. The aerial attacks ended by 10 am.
    Twenty-one ships of the U.S. Pacific Fleet were sunk or damaged: the battleships USS Arizona USS California, USS Maryland , USS Nevada, USS Oklahoma , USS Pennsylvania , USS Tennessee and USS West Virginia.
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    cruisers USS Helena , USS Honolulu and USS Raleigh. The destroyers USS Cassin(DD-372), USS Downes (DD-375), USS Helm (DD-388) and USS Shaw (DD-373); seaplane tender USS Curtiss(AV-4); target ship (ex-battleship) USS Utah (AG-16); repair ship USS Vestal (AR-4); minelayer USS Oglala (CM-4); tug USS Sotoyomo (YT-9); and Floating Drydock Number 2.


    US aircraft losses were 188 destroyed and 159 damaged, the majority hit before the had a chance to take off.

    American dead numbered 2,403. That figure included 68 civilians, most of them killed by improperly fused anti-aircraft shells landing in Honolulu. There were 1,178 military and civilian wounded.

    Japanese losses were 29 planes, which failed to return to their carriers. Some of them having crashed in route to Pearl Harbor.

    All but three of the sunken US ships were eventually raised and repaired.

    THOSE WHO DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT !
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    Thank you for this reminder. I'm a retired sub sailor and I remember this day every year. When I lived in Hawaii, I could look out my window and see the Arizon Memorial everyday.

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    Unfortunately most Americans could tell you who was on the Survivor TV show three years ago, but they could not tell you what war included the Battles of Yorktown, Saratoga and Kings Mountain.
    Another reason why the US Military has been at war for the past 11 years, while the rest of America was at the Mall.

    Thank You for your Service. Fast Attack or Boomers ?
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    Boomers, weaponeer (FTB/MT):
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    USS Simon Bolivar SSBN641 (2 tours)
    USS Mariano G. Vallejo SSBN658

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    In my first branch of the services, we used to try and hunt you guys when we were not stumbling across Russian boomers. While we occasionally ran across a US fast attack sub, we NEVER found a US boomer....
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    Appreciate your service! Good on you finding the Russian boats! I remember the boats as being the best job I ever had. I still miss them, I retired in '95.

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    First Russian Sub...
    In 1979 we were heading south along the east-coast enroute to Cuba and Saint Croix. We had just finished a major overhaul in East Boston and nothing as working correctly. Less than 100 miles off the coast of Virginia we lost our steam turbines and steam generators. While we came to a slow halt , the tandem back-up generators tried to start using compressed air. They lasted about 10 seconds and died......
    For the next several hours we rocked back and forth while all the engineering guys worked on the turbine fuel feed system.

    Myself and the rest of the ASW crew were hanging around up by the ASROC launcher when a guy on bridge watch pointed to something and said
    " Hey it looks like a piece of lumber stinking out of the water over there...." It was a periscope about 200-300 yards away, and once it turned our way it disappeared fast.

    We managed to launch the Sea Sprite helo and box him into an area with active bouys. Even though we had no power back on the ship to listen to them. A little while later a P-3 showed up. Eventually aircraft from all over the east coast showed up.

    We later were able to get under way and we pinged that sub to death for the next week. During our periods of going passive we figurd he was a Yankee Class. Every time we would loose him, he would show back up in the same area a few hours later.

    After a week of blasting him with our ANSQS-26 (which was super loud) we saw a faint track of something behind the Russian. When we reported it to Fleet HQ they told us that we did not see anything there and that we should loose the Russian... So it was one of our Fast Attack subs who had settled in behind the Yankee.
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    Also don't forget what the American aircraft carriers did at Midway June 4th-6th 1942...They sank the four large carriers that the Japs used at Pearl, along with quite a few of the fleet ships accompanying the carriers. We lost quite a few pilots and sailors/marines during that battle... Payback was hell on the Jap navy though... The youngest of these Veterans of Pearl and Midway would be in their nineties now. So not many left.... Keep the memories going....don't ever forget and make sure your kids and their kids don't forget...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Float Pilot View Post
    Unfortunately most Americans could tell you who was on the Survivor TV show three years ago, but they could not tell you what war included the Battles of Yorktown, Saratoga and Kings Mountain.
    Another reason why the US Military has been at war for the past 11 years, while the rest of America was at the Mall.

    Thank You for your Service. Fast Attack or Boomers ?

    You ought to hear David McCullough elaborate on the ignorance of history of the kids coming out of America's public schools. And don't even ask where American kids are in math, science, or reading compared to other nations of the world.

    Try asking random young folks of your acquaintance "from whom did the United States gain its independence."

    Not funny.

    Pathetic.

    Scary.

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    You ought to hear David McCullough elaborate on the ignorance of history of the kids coming out of America's public schools
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    I have,, he is a great historian.
    I would love to have had a few years of classes with him....
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    For any old radio fans try these links where you can download actual broadcasts before and during the attack on Pearl http://archive.org/details/news01 and http://archive.org/details/news02 There are all mp3 files and free to download.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post

    You ought to hear David McCullough elaborate on the ignorance of history of the kids coming out of America's public schools. And don't even ask where American kids are in math, science, or reading compared to other nations of the world.

    Try asking random young folks of your acquaintance "from whom did the United States gain its independence."

    Not funny.

    Pathetic.

    Scary.
    Yep. Once watched a batch of high school seniors asked where the five Great Lakes are located. The most enlightening answer? "On the moon . . . . . " Reminded me of an old poem of the sea: We are lost, the captain shouted as he staggered down the stair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly 2 View Post
    Yep. Once watched a batch of high school seniors asked where the five Great Lakes are located. The most enlightening answer? "On the moon . . . . . " Reminded me of an old poem of the sea: We are lost, the captain shouted as he staggered down the stair.
    Exactly! The American public education system is a joke. Our students rank 14th in reading, 25th in math, and 17th in science among the nations of the world. Anyone who imagines that whomever won the last election matters hasn't, in my mind, a clue. We're raising kids who can't think and don't want to work while China, India and more are raising kids that can think and want to work. "Good schools"? An oxymoron. The entire system is broken.

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    John Taylor Gatto, a New York City "Teacher of the Year" with over 30 years as a teacher, and author of Dumbing Us Down:

    What does the school do with the children? Gatto states the following assertions in "Dumbing Us Down":

    1. It makes the children confused. It presents an incoherent ensemble of information that the child needs to memorize to stay in school. Apart from the tests and trials that programming is similar to the television, it fills almost all the "free" time of children. One sees and hears something, only to forget it again.
    2. It teaches them to accept their class affiliation.
    3. It makes them indifferent.
    4. It makes them emotionally dependent.
    5. It makes them intellectually dependent.
    6. It teaches them a kind of self-confidence that requires constant confirmation by experts (provisional self-esteem).
    7. It makes it clear to them that they cannot hide, because they are always supervised.

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    Yeah, but you have to admit that teachers, by and large, have pretty good unions. Does that count for anything???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly 2 View Post
    Yeah, but you have to admit that teachers, by and large, have pretty good unions. Does that count for anything???


    The only place where that doesn't count is in Lake Wobegon:

    . . . "where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post


    The only place where that doesn't count is in Lake Wobegon:

    . . . "where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average."
    Ah, and with proper schoolhousin' an' fetchins-up. Sounds juch like Sand Hill, Ohio . . . . .

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    Off topic, but is anyone else troubled to learn that schools will soon be omitting all fiction from reading assignments? Yep, non-fiction only, and mostly about government agencies .................................... Where are we going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly 2 View Post
    Off topic, but is anyone else troubled to learn that schools will soon be omitting all fiction from reading assignments? Yep, non-fiction only, and mostly about government agencies .................................... Where are we going?

    We're already there . . .

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    Grizzly and Marcus,


    There seems to be a discrepancy in your assessment of Common Core Standards for English Language Arts. I didn't read the whole thing, but found the below quote within the document. So to me it doesn't appear to be as scary as you might think it is.


    Will New Common Core Standards Remove Literature from English Classes?


    Common Core
    State Standards for
    english Language arts
    http://www.corestandards.org/assets/...0Standards.pdf


    A quote from the Common Core document:


    "To build a foundation for college
    and career readiness, students
    must read widely and deeply from
    among a broad range of high-quality,
    increasingly challenging literary and
    informational texts. Through extensive
    reading of stories, dramas, poems,
    and myths from diverse cultures and
    different time periods, students gain
    literary and cultural knowledge as
    well as familiarity with various text
    structures and elements. By reading
    texts in history/social studies, science,
    and other disciplines, students build
    a foundation of knowledge in these
    fields that will also give them the
    background to be better readers in all
    content areas. Students can only gain
    this foundation when the curriculum is
    intentionally and coherently structured
    to develop rich content knowledge
    within and across grades. Students
    also acquire the habits of reading."

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    Hey Monguse,

    I have some beautiful mountain property here in Florida. I'm putting it on the market really cheap! You interested?

    If you'd rather invest in a good, long bridge, I still have one of those left in Arizona at a giveaway price too. It's near the water, and has a great ovean view . . . . .

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