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    DENALI PARK, Alaska: The National Park Service (NPS) will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, December 12, on proposed changes to sport hunting regulations for Denali National Preserve. The proposed changes would prohibit taking brown bears over bait stations, using artificial light to take black bears at dens, taking black bear cubs and sows with cubs, and would shorten the season for hunting wolves and coyotes.
    The proposed restrictions renew a previous temporary prohibition on taking black bears at dens and black bear cubs and sows with cubs.The restrictions also respond to recent changes to State of Alaska hunting regulations. Those changes included allowing the killing of brown bears over bait stations in three game management units, which included portions of three National Preserves. The proposed prohibition reflects the NPS concerns about the dangers of food conditioned bears as well as the potential impact to the natural abundance, behavior, distribution, and ecological integrity of brown bear populations.
    The State has also extended the hunting season for wolves and coyotes into the summer in several areas, including nine National Preserves. The NPS is proposing to prohibit the take between May 1 and August 9 because it is the period when wolves and coyotes are denning and raising offspring and their pelts have little trophy or economic value.
    The hearing is the first step leading to the potential implementation of restrictions in the annual Superintendent's Compendium, an annual compilation of temporary closures and similar restrictions. After taking into consideration public comments, the National Park Service may include hunting restrictions in the draft Compendium, which will be released on January 15, 2013. The text for all of the Alaska compendiums will be posted on www.nps.gov/akso/compendiums. A 30-day public comment period will also be held for the draft compendiums, with a final compendium expected to go into effect on April 1, 2013.
    The Denali Preserve hearing will begin at 5:00 p.m. at the Murie Science and Learn

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    This isn't a surprise at all. The feds do have differing wildlife management policies, and the more the state allows for things it didn't in the past, like the legal take of grizz over bait, the more the feds will have to respond to disallow it on NPS lands.

    The legal take of grizz over bait in those units doesn't particularly alarm me. What I didn't like about these changes though is that guides are now allowed to have 10 bait stations in each of their three GUAs, and their clients in these units can now legally take grizz over bait. F&G is gonna have to keep on top of the harvests and we could see such an increase they need to shut it down with grizz. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushrat View Post

    . What I didn't like about these changes though is that guides are now allowed to have 10 bait stations in each of their three GUAs, and their clients in these units can now legally take grizz over bait. F&G is gonna have to keep on top of the harvests and we could see such an increase they need to shut it down with grizz. Time will tell.
    Didn't you voice similiar worries over baiting griz along the taylor some years ago............and the increase in grizz harvest was a whopping 2 bears?
    Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you WILL. Maintaining a bait station is a fair amount of work. I don't see a guide operation being able to do that for any length of time that will significantly increase that particular guides yearly take of bears.
    With the current economy and the price of a grizz hunt...........I would be surprised if a guide could get 10 clients..........let alone harvest 10 large bears.
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    So can someone please help me out and point me to reason of why they opened bait for Grizz up that way...thanks

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    Dave, there has been a lot of proposals to open up various areas for grizz baiting. My opinion on why the board opened up those units to grizz baiting last spring is that it was sort of a compromise action in not voting to allow bear snaring in the interior at the same meeting. Just my opinion.

    For Mike, like I said, time will tell. I attended the BGCSB meeting right after that last BOG meeting, and there sure were a bunch of guides pretty excited about legal take of grizz over bait. And hoping to expand that in other units down the line. Opens up a whole new client pool for them really. What I heard was talk of selling black bear hunts (over bait) with opportunity to take grizz for extra kill fee. We'll see how it all pans out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    So can someone please help me out and point me to reason of why they opened bait for Grizz up that way...thanks
    compromise hell..

    it was opened to encourage hunters to go out and shoot some, so that a predator plan does not have to be established.. Mark may have been at the meeting, but has little actually knowledge of the local issues, or their history. There is also LITTLE worry about over harvest in 20C as nearly 1/2 that unit is Denali National PARK.. with some refuge attached to it.. so there is a good bit of preserve there for the bears to hide in.. its a well know predator pit to begin with.. combine that with sever access issues, and most these areas are incredibly UNDER HUNTED.. especially in the spring.. why should they be when there are road accessible units to hunt that have access, and/or are near air affordable to reach air strips...
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    The upper Tanana and 40 mile AC also has a bit to say about this.. If i could post the PDF i would.. but long and short.. they and many of us feel the NPS is outside their purview with this compendium..

    first to say they do not manage by species.. and then.. do exactly that with this, by placeing bears wolf and coyote over moose, caribou and calf..

    and as there is no EMERGENCY situation they do not have the ability to close any portion of the park..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    So can someone please help me out and point me to reason of why they opened bait for Grizz up that way...thanks
    and if you need help managing 10 bait sites... let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    and if you need help managing 10 bait sites... let me know.
    I unfortunataly will not be baiting grizz,,, well that is without an invite....

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    heres the PDF's now that i have spent this many hours getting it figured out.. will need to agree to open the links they are PDF files

    to NPS letter on compendium 2012-final SIGNED.pdf

    Federal Regulations- NPS Compendium.PDF
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    OVER HARVEST:..........Just what does "over harvest" mean? Isn't this grizz baiting with the approval of F&G? I think the idea is to "over harvest" so there are less bears!
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