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    Default RC999 issues??? update..

    http://newsminer.com/view/full_story...tance=outdoors

    FAIRBANKS - Phone problems at the Department of Fish and Game this morning have put a halt to a special caribou hunt in a portion of a zone next to the Steese Highway.


    Read more: Fairbanks Daily News-Miner - Phone problems at Fish Game cause confusion on caribou hunt list
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    UPDATED at 9:35 a.m.: Fish and Game spokeswoman now says some calls are getting through but that there is confusion about what is happening.

    Not surprising that they had phones crash... I wonder who had the bright idea to open up a Steese road hunt and have people call in...

    RC999 that allows up to 30 caribou to be taken along the road in the otherwise closed zone.


    This is wrong also, unless they changed it recently. the F&G homepage still says the limit is 1 caribou
    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...2&regyear=2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak_cowboy View Post
    I wonder who had the bright idea to open up a Steese road hunt and have people call in...



    This is wrong also, unless they changed it recently. the F&G homepage still says the limit is 1 caribou
    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...2&regyear=2012

    First.. it was the hunters that asked for a permit system to be opened up on the closed section last year, they worked with the AC's and the 40 mile caribou working group to come up with this idea and presented it to the bog..

    secondly.. it is not wrong... RC999 that allows up to 30 caribou to be taken along the road in the otherwise closed zone" means the quota for RC999 is 30, meaning 30 hunters may take ONE each.
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    That 40 mile hunt is a joke. Buffer zones, bunch of different registration permits, bunch of zones, etc. All of these road bumps just so someone can go out and freeze their tail off and shoot a dink...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    First.. it was the hunters that asked for a permit system to be opened up on the closed section last year, they worked with the AC's and the 40 mile caribou working group to come up with this idea and presented it to the bog..

    secondly.. it is not wrong... RC999 that allows up to 30 caribou to be taken along the road in the otherwise closed zone" means the quota for RC999 is 30, meaning 30 hunters may take ONE each.
    Ah, I misinterpreted the limit, oops.

    I have no problem with the hunt itself, but F&G should have had everyone stand in line. It still would have been a cluster, but at least their phones would still be working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak_cowboy View Post
    Ah, I misinterpreted the limit, oops.

    I have no problem with the hunt itself, but F&G should have had everyone stand in line. It still would have been a cluster, but at least their phones would still be working.
    Standing in line presents issues at -40.
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    Yes it allows the folks that will actually hunt in those temps the ability to get tags

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    Quote Originally Posted by akiceman25 View Post
    Standing in line presents issues at -40.
    And hunting doesn't?

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    THis idea was brought forth to get away from the issues of stanidng in lines, or having people camped out at the ADFG for 3-4 days ahead of time. and again, brought forth by many of the hunters, that do this hunt...


    i will remind each person that has difficulty with how things are managed... YOU EACH have an opportunity to speak for or against these regulation, every cycle, when the board of game comes to fairbanks. the proposals are published into a book you can receive for free, or view on line. this regulation was passed by the BOG LAST MARCH.... in a meeting that had an EXTREMELY low turn out.

    Alaska has a public process unlike any other state. and you can make a differance by being involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    THis idea was brought forth to get away from the issues of stanidng in lines, or having people camped out at the ADFG for 3-4 days ahead of time. and again, brought forth by many of the hunters, that do this hunt...


    i will remind each person that has difficulty with how things are managed... YOU EACH have an opportunity to speak for or against these regulation, every cycle, when the board of game comes to fairbanks. the proposals are published into a book you can receive for free, or view on line. this regulation was passed by the BOG LAST MARCH.... in a meeting that had an EXTREMELY low turn out.

    Alaska has a public process unlike any other state. and you can make a differance by being involved.
    Thanks, Vince!
    So why is it each time the permit system option comes up the word is that cannot be done because of the subsistence hunt. I don't follow that. You'd think there could be a permit draw system and a Fed subsistence hunt. For the drawing permits, issue say quota plus a number to account for "unsuccessfuls" and "no gos.' Then, if the harvest is higher or lower, adjust the permits issued next season. Get that into the Fortymile Caribou plan and OK'd with the Canadians and all would be simplified. The big problem is the way it is and has been managed for a while, no one knows that the heck is going on when. Then stuff like this phone call in happens.
    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrat View Post
    Thanks, Vince!
    So why is it each time the permit system option comes up the word is that cannot be done because of the subsistence hunt. I don't follow that. You'd think there could be a permit draw system and a Fed subsistence hunt. For the drawing permits, issue say quota plus a number to account for "unsuccessfuls" and "no gos.' Then, if the harvest is higher or lower, adjust the permits issued next season. Get that into the Fortymile Caribou plan and OK'd with the Canadians and all would be simplified. The big problem is the way it is and has been managed for a while, no one knows that the heck is going on when. Then stuff like this phone call in happens.
    Thoughts?
    well.. it would certianly be eaiser with a draw system.. and many of the managers feel exactly that way.. HOWEVER.. the conflicting subistence regulations we currently have in statute do not allow for it... programs such as this one.. is but one experiment to try and keep this hunt OUT of a teir II situation.. there is to much demand for the quota allowed... you have to remember, this herd crashed not to many years ago.. and is still in the process of being regrown, Hence the harvest quota being set at the current limit.

    Recall.. it was 850 total a few years ago.. the federal managment of our game is another issue all together.. and quite the headache at that. this winter hunt is set up to meet the statutory requirments for subsistence.. and making opportunity is the reason behind it..

    under the current laws.. one or two day hunts that have been the norm, do NOT MEET the opportunity requirement under subsistence..

    the 40 mile plan is okay with the Canadians, as they are part of the working group that forms it, remember they up until this year, had put ALL of their quota, BACK into the herd and have not taken any harvest to help the growth of the herd. stepping stones for growth and harvest are in place, so as the herd grows so does the quota...

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    nissa.pilcher@alaska.gov in the interior region.. to receive email alerts about what is going on in your region.. Sherry or Nissa can set you up to receive emails on ALL regions, or just the one you live it... but contact the one in the region you live.. you will also get notices of AC meetings that are always open to the public.. as well Proposed changes to regulation for up coming meeting..

    here is a link to upcoming meetings..

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...rd.meetinginfo

    these will deal with South East ak, South west and south central.. INCLUDING Nelchina bou ...
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    If you killed a 40 mile bou during the fall hunt, can you still hunt the winter hunt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammoth Hunter View Post
    If you killed a 40 mile bou during the fall hunt, can you still hunt the winter hunt?
    no limit is one per regulatory year... If you killed A caribou from any herd you may not hunt ..

    in areas that limits of more then one... such as Dalton Highway central arctic herd... you may take up to the limit from that area.. unless you have hunted the other herds prior.. then your limit for that area, is reduced by one... to hunt the 40 mile AND the dalton.. you would have to harvest one from the 40 mile and THEN head north to hunt 4 more. this applies to ALL big game hunts in AK, however off hand i beleive .. Caribou and black bear are the only ones with Multiple bag limits and they vary from area to area.. However in area with a limit of ONE.. that is a state wide limit, and applies to other larger bag limits...


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    Yes, thanks. I thought it was that way just wanted to double tap to make sure. Always looking for another hunting opportunity to support my addiction.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    no limit is one per regulatory year... If you killed A caribou from any herd you may not hunt ..

    in areas that limits of more then one... such as Dalton Highway central arctic herd... you may take up to the limit from that area.. unless you have hunted the other herds prior.. then your limit for that area, is reduced by one... to hunt the 40 mile AND the dalton.. you would have to harvest one from the 40 mile and THEN head north to hunt 4 more. this applies to ALL big game hunts in AK, however off hand i beleive .. Caribou and black bear are the only ones with Multiple bag limits and they vary from area to area.. However in area with a limit of ONE.. that is a state wide limit, and applies to other larger bag limits...


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