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    Default 338 WM VS 375 h&h

    I'm sure this has been talked about before, but here it goes anyways. I have been thinking about getting a 375 H&H. I already have a 338 WM and was going to get the 375 just for a big bear hunt. I just don't know if I really a 375 when I can load 250gr bullets in the 338 WM. Does the 375 really kill and penetrate that much better with say a 270gr bullet then a 338. Thanks in advance for your input.

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    Default 338 WM VS 375 h&h

    I had 4 pass-through shots this past spring on a 9' Kodiak boar with my .375 h&h, shooting Barnes tsx bullets. One of them was through the shoulder, the rest were through the vitals. You won't hear anyone say not to use the .375, but as has been discussed before, it comes down to what you're comfortable with and shot placement. Plenty of big bears have been taken with less than a .338. that being said, my .375 is one of my sweetest shooting rifles and comes highly recommended to anyone who will listen to me

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    I prefer the .375 over the .338...no good reason, just do. This might be more meaningful in Africa but in N.America either has the stuff for the biggest critters here...but if you've got the stuff to shoot a .375 well it will be a real performer. For an accurate comparison compare the 250gr .338 to the 300gr .375.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hodgeman View Post
    For an accurate comparison compare the 250gr .338 to the 300gr .375.
    exactly....not sure why anyone would step up to a 375 just to shoot smaller bullets unless just personal preference... 375 H& H shines with a 300 grain slug... i prefer a 375 over a 338 but not because a 338 is not big enough

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    How about a nice blend of both? 358 norma magnum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak View Post
    How about a nice blend of both? 358 norma magnum.
    I like the way you think--as that is exactly what I did for a spring brown bear rifle.

    To the OP, my sampling size isn't large enough to be statistically significant, but IME the 375 is "more" effective. That being said, I've 100% confidence in the .338 WM for the biggest bear in AK.
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    the first couple of seasons after Barnes released the TSX there were ALOT of hunters killin' bears with 300 mags and 180 TSX's - There are still alot of bear guides up North who swear by 300 Ultra Mags and 180 TSX's ..... just sayin'

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    Be careful if you go .375, it's big enough to give you big bore fever! I have no good reason to own a .458 Win Mag but I want one now that i've owned the .375 for a while!

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    The 300gr bullet was one of the biggest sellers when the 338winmag came out.Then folks mounted 12X scopes and dropped to 180's for no real balistic reason.For me the 375 has better controled recoil than the sharp recoil 338
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    I'm with Limon on this one. Everybody has a 375. Go big or go home! You already have a 338wm which will take care of anything that you're likely to encounter up here so............ Step up to something that throws 400gr or larger and take in the whole experience! It's life altering! Now after you find your shoulder after that life changing event you may not want something that large. Ultimately it is your choice and I would recomend trying out some of your options before you jump in. I don't have a 375 but if I did you would be more than welcome to take it for a test drive at the range. I do have a 416 though. I don't think I'll be available until after January though. If your interested just let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    For me the 375 has better controlled recoil than the sharp recoil 338
    I was thinking the same thing. I load my own and more for a few relatives and friends. My brother is a 338WM aficionado, it's his do everything load. His stainless / synthetic stocked Remington 338WM shoots 250gr Partitions very accurate at 2660fps. I would swear it whacks me harder than my 375 shooting 300gr bullets. We've shot them back to back verifying zero prior to leaving on a hunt, his was quite snappy. His rifle feels a bit lighter but we haven't weighed them, perhaps that's the culprit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshall View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. I load my own and more for a few relatives and friends. My brother is a 338WM aficionado, it's his do everything load. His stainless / synthetic stocked Remington 338WM shoots 250gr Partitions very accurate at 2660fps. I would swear it whacks me harder than my 375 shooting 300gr bullets. We've shot them back to back verifying zero prior to leaving on a hunt, his was quite snappy. His rifle feels a bit lighter but we haven't weighed them, perhaps that's the culprit.
    My experience exactly. I have owned a couple of .338's and .375's. In a similar weight rifle the .375 can be a pleasure to shoot where the .338 just kicks the snot out of you. I shoot my .375 with 300gr softpoints for just about everything.

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    Default 338 WM VS 375 h&h

    I almost didn't buy my 375, because I thought it was too light (savage model 116 AK Guide). I had a limbsaver pad installed at the time of purchase, and never looked back. There are times I think my .06 hits harder, but it's all in the crack vs push feeling in the shoulder

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    If you like your 338 and plan to keep it skip the 375 and go up to the 416 Ruger. Not only does it allow you to hunt big bears but it also allows you to hunt larger animals world-wide should you ever have the oppurtunity. The 416 launches a 25% larger projectile at the same speed as the 375 and has 25% less recoil than a 458 of the same weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brav01 View Post
    If you like your 338 and plan to keep it skip the 375 and go up to the 416 Ruger. Not only does it allow you to hunt big bears but it also allows you to hunt larger animals world-wide should you ever have the oppurtunity. The 416 launches a 25% larger projectile at the same speed as the 375 and has 25% less recoil than a 458 of the same weight.
    That makes sense to me too. If you are targeting big bears, go big, so long as you can shoot the gun straight. If you are going to use the 375 for moose and take a bear if you have the chance, then the 338 thru 375 calibers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swapdonkey View Post
    I'm sure this has been talked about before, but here it goes anyways. I have been thinking about getting a 375 H&H. I already have a 338 WM and was going to get the 375 just for a big bear hunt. I just don't know if I really a 375 when I can load 250gr bullets in the 338 WM. Does the 375 really kill and penetrate that much better with say a 270gr bullet then a 338. Thanks in advance for your input.
    What about simply reloading some heavyweights for your 338 win mag you already own? Both woodleigh and swift make a 275 grainer and woodleigh makes a 300 grain round nosed if a 275 isn't enough. Just something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak View Post
    What about simply reloading some heavyweights for your 338 win mag you already own? Both woodleigh and swift make a 275 grainer and woodleigh makes a 300 grain round nosed if a 275 isn't enough. Just something to think about.
    , if you just want a 250-300 grn bullet the 338 will launch those with enough velocity to completely penetrate a big bear. The next larger caliber with any real bullet size increase would be the 416.
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    I called Barnes today and got some load data for there new bullets. It looks like there heavy bullets might fit the bill. I think I will have to try the 280gr LRX before I get a 375.


    > Indicates most accurate load338 Winchester Magnum
    Bullet Weight: 265 grBullet Style: LRX
    COAL: 3.340 "Case: R-P

    Case Trim Length: 2.490 "
    Primer: Remington 9 1/2M
    Barrel Length: 24 "Twist Rate: 1:10 "

    SD: 0.331B.C. 0.575


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    Powder

    Starting Load

    Maximum Load

    Charge(grains)

    Velocity(ft/s)

    Charge(grains)

    Velocity(ft/s)

    LoadDensity(%)

    A-2700 (Accurate)

    56.4

    2330

    62.6

    2508

    101

    IMR 4007SSC (IMR)

    53.5

    2280

    59.4

    2469

    101

    RL 17 (Alliant)

    55.7

    2347

    61.9

    2565

    101

    H4350 (Hodgdon)

    55.9

    2298

    62.1

    2502

    101

    Hunter (Ramshot)

    59.7

    2368

    66.4

    2581

    106

    Hybrid 100V (Hodgdon)

    55.7

    2324

    61.9

    2535

    105


    Bullet Weight: 280 grBullet Style: LRX
    COAL: 3.340 "Case: R-P

    Case Trim Length: 2.490 " SD: 0.350Primer: Remington 9 1/2M B.C. 0.667
    Barrel Length: 24 "Twist Rate: 1:10 "


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    Velocity(ft/s)

    Charge(grains)

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    A-2700 (Accurate)

    52.7

    2204

    58.6

    2382

    97

    IMR 4007SSC (IMR)

    51.2

    2178

    56.9

    2362

    99

    RL 17 (Alliant)

    53.2

    2251

    59.1

    2458

    99

    H4350 (Hodgdon)

    53.4

    2198

    59.3

    2386

    100

    Hunter (Ramshot)

    56.8

    2242

    63.1

    2463

    103

    Hybrid 100V (Hodgdon)

    53.4

    2227

    59.3

    2426

    103


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    Quote Originally Posted by swapdonkey View Post
    I called Barnes today and got some load data for there new bullets. It looks like there heavy bullets might fit the bill. I think I will have to try the 280gr LRX before I get a 375.
    My experience with Barnes bullets would send me looking at the 225 and lighter projectiles for your .338 WM. Penetration will not be an issue and you'll almost certainly have a "wider" wound channel and more consistent expansion with the lighter weight bullets........
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    A wise choice, especially being around the holidays. Don't forget to occasionally take off the "barnes goggles" though. Esepcially at those velocities......ahem 280 grain a-frame or the 275 grain woodleigh.

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