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    Default Your Pet 44 Special Loads ?

    I am collecting 44 Special Load info. I need some that are fairly low pressure for a 2 inch Taurus M-445UL with a stainess cylinder and barrel,, but an alloy frame.

    The pistol powders I have on hand as of today,, I am running low on pistol powder:

    Unique
    P-38 (same thing as WW-231)
    800X
    AA-#7
    AA-#9
    H-110
    Trail Boss
    Blue Dot
    2400
    Lil Gun

    And a couple other odd-balls I can't remember right now...

    I would like to get a 200 to 240 grain going at least 800 fps without pre-mature wear.

    I loaed some 240gr Speer half jacket senmi-wadcutters today with 6.5gr of 800X and a WW primer. And some 200 gr XTPs with 7.0 grains. But it was pounding rain and not a good day for the chronograph.
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    I don't recall the chrono reading, but my standard is any 240 grain lead pill over 5.5 grains of Unique, or sometimes the same charge of 700X when I'm out of Unique. For a "light" load, I use the same charge under a 200 grain pill. If I recall correctly the 240 grain loads come real close to factory standard from my 4", so you likely would have to heat it up to reach 800 from your 2". Dunno what that would mean for premature wear.

    BTW- That "anemic" load has revealed itself to be a great deer swatter. I've popped them at close to 50 yards with clean one-shot kills, but most of my shots are in the 30 yard or less realm. It's a fun load, and I shoot them by the bucket full. Long case life and zero gun wear. If you want to have some real fun, start using them double action. And use a bigger bucket for hauling your loads!

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    I use Universal Clays for light loads in the mag case so it should do fine in the special case as well....it works in most anything in the right amounts. Maybe that's why they call it Universal. Unique and Trail Boss do real well for light loads also.
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    I am hoping I can buy 10 or so bullets in a few weights and types to experiment.
    Anything from 180 to 220 grain in .429-430 caliber.
    Oddly enhough all I have in my reloading room are big heavy bullets. I figure somebody here has a few spare cast slugs laying around that they would not mind selling or trading...

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    Today's experiments:
    44 Special Loads for Taurus Model 445 Ultra Light. 2 inch BBL


    Target at 15 yards, temp 39 F, light rain. Chronograph at 10 feet.


    Factory Hornady 180gr XTP-JHP = 738 fps and a 3.5 inch group (Big muzzle flash)
    Factory Federal, 200gr LSCW-HP = 680 fps and a 1.1 inch group
    ( the shoulder of the lead SWC had to be shaved a little to chamber)

    Hand loads

    200 grain Hornady XTP-HP, Star Line brass, Winchester Large Pistol Primer,
    heavy crimp at cannelure. 1.500 inch COL

    7.0 grains Universal……… = 698 fps and a 2.5 inch group
    6.9 grains HP-38 (ww231.) = 775 fps and a 1.5 inch group (clean brass)
    9.3 grains HS-6…………..= 700 fps and a 1.3 inch group
    7.0 grains IMR-800X……..= 620 fps and a 1.0 inch group (dirty)
    6.3 grains Trail Boss……..= 700 fps and a 5.0 inch group (clean brass)


    240 grain old Speer jacketed semi-wad-cutter solid. Star Line brass
    Winchester Large Pistol Primer, heavy crimp over jacket edge. 1.457 inch col

    6.5 grains IMR 800X…= 650 fps and a 1.0 inch group at point of aim.
    Noticeable recoil increase over 200 grain bullets.
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    Good info Float!

    I wonder what type of expandsion you get from the XTP's at ~700 FPS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowrider View Post
    Good info Float!

    I wonder what type of expandsion you get from the XTP's at ~700 FPS?
    It would depend on the media of course, but on flesh I'd bet zip to none. Below 1k expansion gets dicey. I've recovered pure lead round balls from muzzleloaders fired at less than 1k, and they don't expand at all in anything soft. Add a jacket and a little bit of alloy, and........

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    Supposedly...................... Speer makes their 200 grain Gold Dot HP with the 44 special in mind. They claim it will expand at low velocities. It looks like an open Soup Can so it just might.

    I bought some more powder and I think I may have some 215 cast bullets to experiment with in a week or so. I would love to try 10 or 15 lead full wad-cutters in the 180 to 190 grain range.

    A nicley cut 430 diameter hole should make a heck of a good bleeder.

    More data to come....
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    Agree!!..look around...Lyman or someone used to make a full wadcutter in .430. It was a solid base, not like the .358 hollow base that worked great seated backward.
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    I only had an hour today for shooting and an hour for loading...

    I think the faster load using the 240 grain lead SWC and Red DOT may have been more accurate, but I was in a hurry and my hand really felt that load in this lightweight snubby.

    200 grain Hornady XTP-HP, Winchester Brass, WLP, heavy roll crimp 1.500 COL
    15 yards, high wind, fading sunlight

    5.0 grains RED DOT = 547 fps and a 1.0 inch group
    5.5 grains RED DOT = 685 fps and a 1.5 inch group
    5.5 grains GREEN DOT = 675 fps and a 2.0 inch group
    8.6 grains IMR SR4756 = 680 fps and a 1.5 inch group

    240 grain Keith Lead Semi-Wad-cutter, WW Brass, WLP,
    Heavy Roll crimp 1.490 COL

    5.3 grains GREEN DOT = 720 fps and a 0.60 inch group 1.5 inch low
    5.3 grains RED DOT….= 790 fps and a 2.0 inch group POINT OF AIM
    8.0 grains IMR-SR-4756= 715 fps and a 2.5 inch group
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    Oct 14th SUNDAY, Range test: TAURUS M-445 Alloy Frame 2.1 inch bbl
    15 yards, light rain, wind, 35 degrees.

    207 grain cast LeadSemi-Wadcutter Hollow Point with Gas Check. FROM BROTHER BLINK
    Winchester Brass, Winchester Large Pistol Primer, 1.500 colw/roll crimp


    7.0 Grains of Unique = Hi-827, Lo-762 and a 2.0 inch group 1inch low, dirty
    6.0 Grains Green Dot = Hi-814, Lo-805 and a 1.5 inch group,1.5 inch low, clean
    7.0 Grains of HP-38 = Hi 865, Lo 842, and a 0.75 inchgroup, ¾ inch low, clean xxxxxxx
    7.2 Grains of HP-38 = Hi 906, Lo 869, and a 2.0 inch group,1 inch left, clean

    240 grain cast lead Keith style,semi-wadcutter.
    Winchester Brass, Winchester Large Pistol, 1.490 col w/rollcrimp

    5.5 Grains Green Dot = Hi-750, Lo-713, and a 1.25 inch group¾ inch low, clean
    6.2 Grains HP-38 = ….Hi-812, Lo-790, and a 1.35 inch group ¾ inch left, clean xxxxxx
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    Sunday Oct 21, 2012. Clear, 20 degrees light breeze. Target at 15 yards.
    Taurus M-455 UL alloy frame with 2.1 inch bbl

    207 Grain cast lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point with Gas Check .
    Winchester Brass, Winchester Large Pistol Primers, 1.500 Col, roll crimp

    6.2 grains IMR 700X = 880 fps and a 2.0 inch group
    6.2 grains TiteGroup = 870 fps and a 0.75 inch group, very clean
    10.4 grains Blue Dot = 810 fps and a 1.0 inch group, Unburnt Powder, dirty.

    210 Grain Sierra Jacketed Hollow Point.
    1.498 COL, roll crimp into cannelure. WW Brass, WW. Primer.

    9.5 grains Blue Dot = 720 fps and a 1.5 inch group. Dirty Load

    240 grain cast lead Keith style, semi-wadcutter.
    Winchester Brass, Winchester Large Pistol, 1.490 col w/roll crimp

    9.0 grains Blue Dot = 705 fps and a 3.0 inch group, dirty, unburnt powder. __________________
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    Went out today and verified a few loads and tossed in a couple new ones.
    One of my range compardre's has a 255 grain Keith mold and he gave me 10 255gr (on my digital scale) Keith style semi-wadcutters. He lubed them with some sort of yellow-gold looking lube... No smoke.....

    Oct 28, 2012 tests: 15 yards at 32 degrees.

    240 grain LSWC,
    Star-Line Brass, WLP, 1.487 COL Roll Crimp

    6.1 grains HP-38 = 785 fps with a 0.75 inch group with one flyer to 1.25
    6.2 grains HP-38 = 800 fps and a 1.25 inch group
    6.3 grains HP-38 = 793 fps with a 1.50 inch group
    5.4 grains TiteGroup = 780 fps and a 4.0 inch group

    255 grain Keith Semi wadcutter
    Star-Line Brass, WLP, 1.586 COL, Roll Crimp

    6.0 grains HP-38 = 732 fps and a 0.40 inch group with one flyer to 0.75 inch

    200 grain Hornady XTP JHPStar-Line Brass, WLP, 1.487 COL Roll Crimp

    7.1 grains HP-38 = 830 fps and a 1.25 inch group

    207 grain Lead Semi-wadcutter hollow point w/ gas-checkStar-Line Brass, WLP, 1.497 COL Roll Crimp

    6.2 grains TiteGroup = 870 fps and a 0.75 inch group, very clean
    6.3 grains TiteGroup = 887 fps and a 4.0 inch group
    7.0 grains HP-38 = 855 fps, and a 0.75 inch group,
    7.1 grains HP-38 = 865 fps and a 1.5 inch group
    7.2 grains HP-38 = 895 fps and a 2.0 inch group,
    7.3 grains HP-38 = 910 fps and a 1.0 inch group
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    Took a couple hours away from chores today... ( Attic re-insulation and new vapor barrier...yuck)

    Decided to try a can of POWER PISTOL from the 2.1 inch barreld Taurus M-445

    180gr Hornady XTP-HP, WW Brass, WLP, Roll crimp into cannelure.
    9.2 grains POWER PISTOL = 920 fps and a 3 inch group (which was 6 inches low at 15 yards. ) Dirty,,,, Not impressed.

    207gr Lead SWC-HP with gas check, WW Brass, WLP, Roll crimp into top groove.
    8.6 grains POWER PISTOL = 915 fps and a 1.0 inch group near point of aim at 15 yards. clean,,, GOOD LOAD

    240gr Keith Semi wadcutter. WW Brass, WLP, Roll crimp into top groove.
    8.0 grains POWER PISTOL = 875 fps and a 3/4 inch group 1 inch to the left.
    Stout recoil. Probably a little hot for an alloy gun. At elast for extended use. The primers look fine. Clean. Best velocity from a 2.1 inch barrel, for this bullet weight.
    SUPER LOAD

    In an effort to get the 180 grain XTPs going faster I tried Tite Group

    180gr Hornady XTP-HP, WW Brass, WLP, Roll crimp into cannelure.
    6.6 grains Tite Group... = 807 fps and a 3 inch group.
    Only a 5 fps spread. no smoke, very clean..... I think that this gun just hates these jacketed bullets... not the powder.
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    I'd stick with the Keith load for carry....hard to beat that group!

    BTW, What engine do you have in your Cub?
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    Hey lowrider, good to see you over on the Supercub.org site....I'm nanook over there, take care

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    The current Cub (the Dragon Lady) is a PA-11-90
    C-90-8 engine. 95 hp at take-off rpm. She only weighs 785 pounds on floats.


    This snubbie 44 Special seems to like cast lead. BUT, being a Taurus, it has one chamber that throws its bullet off a little compared to the other chambers in the cylinder.
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    Nanook/Float,

    I've wanted a Super Cub forever and when I sold my Apache about 10 years ago my wife insisted on a 4 place so I bought a C-170 with the intention of eventually putting a 0-360 in it but it still has the 0-300 and it flies fine...just not Cub like. I just sold my RV-4 so I'm getting pretty serious about building an LSA Cub with an 0-200 and light as I can make it. 785# with floats is incredible!! I'm hoping to keep mine under 850# on 26" and I'm going to set it up for floats since there is a lot of water in the PNW, but with a good Cub sometimes you don't need water to land. I'm looking at a Wag Aero Sport Trainer as ELSA...Transponder, portable radio and GPS and not much else....oh yeah...fishing rod tube in the tail with an outside door...isn't experimental wonderful!!

    I forgot...supposed to be talking .44 Spl...I have a Bulldog and it shoots very well for a cheap gun and it is very light to carry. I just made the comment on another thread that I wished Ruger made the LCR with a 4" barrel in .44 SPl. Should be light and shoot pretty well.

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    I was laid up sick for a while but managed to drag myself out to the range today.

    44 Special,
    2.1 inch barreled Taurus M-445.
    Temp 09 degrees F, fading light on snow.
    Chronograph at 12 feet from muzzle. Target at 15 yards.

    180 grain Hornady XTP HP
    10.5gr AA#5
    WW Brass, WLP, Roll Crimp
    Vel=900 fps and a 2 inch group 3.5 inches low

    200 grain Hornady XTP HP
    9.7gr AA#5
    WW brass, WLP, Roll Crimp
    Vel= 830 fps and a 2.5 inch group 3 inches low

    240 grain Keith style SWC
    9.0gr AA#5
    WW brass, WLP, Roll Crimp
    Vel= 803 fps and a 1.0 inch group 1 inch low

    240 grain Keith SWC
    7.5gr POWER PISTOL

    ww-WLP, roll crimp
    Vel= 828 fps and a 3/4 inch group 0.5 inch to the left
    Good Load

    240 grain Keith SWC
    7.7gr POWER PISTOL
    WW-WLP, roll crimp
    Vel= 840 fps and a 1.5 inch group

    240 grain Keith SWC
    8.0gr POWER PISTOL
    WW-WLP, Roll Crimp
    Vel= 870 fps and a 3/4 inch group. 1 inch left
    Still a little warm for an alloy gun.

    255 Grain KEITH SWC
    7.0 grains Power Pistol
    WW- WLP, Roll Crimp
    Vel= 770 fps and a 1.0 inch group , 1 inch low.



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    THEY'RE HERE

    215 grain hollow base wad-cutters.

    I am having problems loading them backwards without goofing up the edges of the cavity....
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