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    On a difference post they talked about gear being stashed at a camp site and it got me wondering what would you do if you were told to leave.

    As your going down a trail you come a cross a old moose camp and decide this is a good place
    to set up camp. As your setting up camp you find a cash of hunting gear that had been left there from last year. The next day a couple of guys come in and tell you this is there camp and they been hunting there for years and you need to move.

    You know this is state land and you have just as much right to be there, so what do you do.

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    I am pretty much going to stay there. I might would welcome them to stay too depending on their attitude. Public land is first come first serve. There were people in my planned camping spot this year. I said hi, how ya doin and moved on...

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    I would have moved once I found the cached gear, but then I'm no drama seeker. I have used old camps, but if ask to move and I knew I did not make that camp, I would move on. Public land is just that public, but Alaska is a big place and it is easy enough to carve out your once slice of heaven.
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    Really! Come on if you find a place where people have camped for years what do ya think the chances are that the will show up. Do ya just want to get into a pissing match or find your own place? Why would you even want to hunt in the same camp as who you or they have a problem? Maybe im just old school.

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    I'd rather find my own slice of heaven and leave no trace other than a fire. Rarely will I camp in the same place twice.

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    This is a very good topic to discuss. But there are a ton of variables. For me it all depends on the improvements that have been made and even then it is a tough call. What I won't put up with is a trashy camp. If folks want to stash stuff for next year it better be kept tidy.

    I have really been thinking of a reunion run into our old hunting camp next year, but am hesitant because it has been used since we left it. We left a bunch of stuff there and noticed a while back that the new folks have been using at least some of it. Not sure I could roll up and ask them to leave.

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    I've used a someone else's permanent camp before...not their equipment, but the location (which was awesome). I would probably have left if asked, but no one showed while I was there. Left a pile of wood for them or whoever.

    Too many variables but in general I've had good results when meeting other hunters in various camps. Sometimes we form an "ad-hoc" hunting party and get on well. Sometimes not. I strongly dislike people who build camps in the middle of the trail or with conspicuous effort to block out others...that torques me off pretty bad. I tend to want to get away from folks so areas with multiple permanent type encampments I usually avoid by walking a little further.
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    I wouldnt camp there I would just move on I hunt alot with my son and he doesnt need to see me get into an argument with another person. Its all about me and him having a good time and him learining how to become a good hunter.
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    If I came across an obviously established camp I would just keep going, no sense in debating who's spot it is, if you know you didn't make it. We've seen that during fishing season too, set up tent, lawn chair, this is my spot for the season. Just keep going at least 10 to 15 more miles and hopefully you'll be the only one in the immediate area.

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    Would of never even stopped unless I just bought the place.
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    Well, here we go again. No one in this state has a right to establish a camp on public property. The people who left their trash/junk on public land are petty criminals. I am definitely in the minority here, but I do not respect criminal behavior, as most the previous posts do.
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    I would certainly use another nice camp site. If another group that had used it before showed up I would hope to share, but would be shocked to be expected to leave. In deciding to camp in a nice spot that has been used before one has no way of knowing when during the season a party might be returning to an old camp. I have shared many camps (mostly fishing) in the past and have only had one problem with a group that was guiding illegally and kept a very dirty camp that brought in bears.

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    Now that kind of know the area I hunt I have a back up to the back up camping spot... If I roll into a camp that looks established I will keep going... Plenty of good spots to be had even make your own camp and call your own... I know a area there is a 10 mile stretch there is only 2 more camps after ours... So plenty of land to call your own. Now if I find a spot they have signs naming the area etc I'm definitely going to keep going. There is a camp this family been going to for 30 yrs people hunting out there know these folks so I would stay away from that camp...

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    Quote Originally Posted by granby45 View Post
    I would certainly use another nice camp site. If another group that had used it before showed up I would hope to share, but would be shocked to be expected to leave. In deciding to camp in a nice spot that has been used before one has no way of knowing when during the season a party might be returning to an old camp. I have shared many camps (mostly fishing) in the past and have only had one problem with a group that was guiding illegally and kept a very dirty camp that brought in bears.


    Well, here we go again. No one in this state has a right to establish a camp on public property. The people who left their trash/junk on public land are petty criminals. I am definitely in the minority here, but I do not respect criminal behavior, as most the previous posts do.





    Another fine reason to find your own spot, who wants a bear in their tent. As for respecting criminal behavior, just because there is a used camping spot doesn't mean they are criminals...I for one don't think it's a crime to have a regular camping-hunting spot picked out, just would rather not have any close neighbors when out hunting. I would NEVER respect criminal behavior...never ever...
    And would never ever leave a stash of anything anywhere, unless there were no possible way to take it out at the time. Wouldn't want to see it for sale on Craigslist....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver View Post
    On a difference post they talked about gear being stashed at a camp site and it got me wondering what would you do if you were told to leave.

    As your going down a trail you come a cross a old moose camp and decide this is a good place
    to set up camp. As your setting up camp you find a cash of hunting gear that had been left there from last year. The next day a couple of guys come in and tell you this is there camp and they been hunting there for years and you need to move.

    You know this is state land and you have just as much right to be there, so what do you do.
    Sounds like it could be a shootout at the O.K. corral...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkay View Post
    Well, here we go again. No one in this state has a right to establish a camp on public property. The people who left their trash/junk on public land are petty criminals. I am definitely in the minority here, but I do not respect criminal behavior, as most the previous posts do.
    Not that I'm going to entirely disagree with you...but what sorts of "permanent camp" are acceptable, if any. The one I crashed in was pretty well equipped- meat pole, a couple of folded tarps in a metal tote type box, matches, a couple of gallons of Coleman fuel, a lantern, a stove, a couple of pots and a skillet. Also a sleeping bag, an axe, rope and some other misc. camping equipment all locked neatly in another metal box. There was a small open metal shed type roof with a couple of rough benches underneath and a set of shelves. The entire affair looked pretty tidy and had apparently been left alone by the bears. I left everything as I found it but it didn't appear to have been used in several years...no garbage or any debris at all. The sign left by the original occupants/builders said "1977".

    It was tucked back into the trees in the lee of a hill in an area known for high wind. I marked the camp on my GPS thinking if I got weathered in or had some form of stranding trouble due to rising water, this could provide a good resource in an emergency...

    So, is a well executed camp like this a crime or a potential emergency resource?

    Again- not looking to disagree and I realize this type of lash-up may be a exception to the rule of a slob's trash pile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkay View Post
    Well, here we go again. No one in this state has a right to establish a camp on public property. The people who left their trash/junk on public land are petty criminals. I am definitely in the minority here, but I do not respect criminal behavior, as most the previous posts do.
    So if I set my tent blocking the door to your tent you are good with it. So if you are not in sight of your camp its fine to just knock it down and put it in trash bags or burn it,is that correct.
    Here the Tongass is public and no reserve spaces except for cabins. At fixed camp sites its first there gets it for at least seven days. Any where else you can set up camp and stay as long as you want but no foundations..Some even park their camping trailer for the whole no snow season and no one touches them and most keep a eye out as they know who owns them.
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    one moose season we went in in August and setup a tarp, fire pit, cut firewood, and got our camp together for september. went back in two days before season started and had a group in our camp, had burned up our tarp (flying sparks from bonfire with a seasons worth of wood.), and they had set-up a big frame tent on our trail back to the lakes we hunted. Note: the main lake was on a homestead we had permission to hunt. Vern was driving the boat and it was almost dark so he pulled in to see about us spending the night- and to recover the other supplies we had stashed the weekend before. pretty much told to leave, that they were going to hunt the entire slough and had arrived first. We went on upstream and cold camped that night. Daughter and son-in-law came in to do a quick hunt and "check" on us opening day. Next day the troopers were "escorting' the other group out of the slough and back to Nenana.

    Even with all that we have now abadoned that camp site- over the previous years we harvested eight good moose hunting out of it. But, just not worth the hassle if the "other" group came back.

    On the same note: the year we had the early heavy snow first week of september, a two man group "took over" the homestead cabin (private property) even drove thier 4 wheelers all over while we were trying to hunt. when it started to snow, Vern said "pack it up". And we hauled tail out of there before got stuck... the two (okay I know they were Army warrent officers- but I didn't want to say it here) hunters at the homestead tried to tuff it out. Ended up leaving both 4 wheelers and a lot of gear at the cabin so they could get out. A trapper out of Nenana brought the wheelers in that January by snow machine trailer. and the rest of the gear was salavaged by people snowmachining or trapping in the area. Costly mistake.

    Permanent camps? site maybe- but don't expect others to respect your gear if they can find it. (and you ain't there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkay View Post
    Well, here we go again. No one in this state has a right to establish a camp on public property. The people who left their trash/junk on public land are petty criminals. I am definitely in the minority here, but I do not respect criminal behavior, as most the previous posts do.
    On public Alaska lands, the "old" camp is simply trash that wasn't cleaned up by the party that had used it before. The gear that they left is nothing more than "litter" under the law. I'd leave a note, but I still wouldn't use the camp site. Many of us who flew for our guiding business would cache avgas and oil in the bush for the coming hunting seasons. If it was found and used by someone else - - - or was simply taken - - - it was our loss and we just had to bite the bullet.

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    It's all about common since guys, don't mess with other camps or gear..... no different then the trapper that leaves traps in the trees or his old cabin thats on state land that really does not belong to anyone.... move to a different site, same goes for bear baits etc......
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