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    A DEAL !! for someone!!! I just got back from Kamchatka a few hours ago. Did a couple of first's. The proto BAYLEE II I had built is on the #II - self bailing, with the seat up high to put the weight on tubes and not the floor. Much less water in the bottom. extra thigh straps. 420 top and 840 floor. She worked as well as I thought-- would go to AIRE-NRS- instead of my proven IK SOTAR thigh straps.
    Another world over there -- and now 4 hour flights from Anch. on Thursdays. Just still in Russia in my head as of now??!!
    Great boat at wholesale price.
    Just my thoughts--
    Goo

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    Quote Originally Posted by goeaux View Post
    A DEAL !! for someone!!! I just got back from Kamchatka a few hours ago. Did a couple of first's. The proto BAYLEE II I had built is on the #II - self bailing, with the seat up high to put the weight on tubes and not the floor. Much less water in the bottom. extra thigh straps. 420 top and 840 floor. She worked as well as I thought-- would go to AIRE-NRS- instead of my proven IK SOTAR thigh straps.
    Another world over there -- and now 4 hour flights from Anch. on Thursdays. Just still in Russia in my head as of now??!!
    Great boat at wholesale price.
    Just my thoughts--
    Goo

    Goo, how about some photos of that boat on some Russian waters?

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    YEAH PICS WOUD BE NICE... but then so would a price
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    Default Great boats

    I have used the baylee I and have been on several trips where one was used. I would love to try a baylee II, I think the extra length may be a bonus. Smokin deal Goo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    YEAH PICS WOUD BE NICE... but then so would a price
    Vince, this post is in reference to a boat that another member is selling. She mistakenly posted it here, and I moved it to the Swap and Sell yesterday. If you're looking for the price of that boat, check out the Swap and Sell.

    If you're looking for prices on Goo's stuff, or if you have other pre-sales questions, please contact him directly. Our forum rules prohibit commercial posts with the exception of the sponsor of the forum in which they appear. This includes pricing information, or any other information that is sales-related, posted by representatives of companies selling those products. We do this not to inhibit the flow of information, but to give value to the sponsorship of our forums. If we allow competitors to advertise in our sponsored forums, we erode the value of sponsorship. As you can imagine, there is a lot of cost associated with keeping this site up, running, and growing. Those costs are paid by our advertisers. Any outdoor-related company is welcome to participate in our advertising program, however we occasionally see companies that are not in the ad program wanting to promote their goods or services here, and that's where we have to draw the line. It's about fairness to those who have invested their finances in this site.

    The primary purpose of this site is the exchange of information about the Alaska outdoors. In order to do that, we have to pay the costs to keep the contents of the site free to our members and guests. The ad program is how we do that.

    Sorry for the rehash of our rules, but lately we have had to deal with several violations of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Strahan View Post
    Vince, this post is in reference to a boat that another member is selling. She mistakenly posted it here, and I moved it to the Swap and Sell yesterday. If you're looking for the price of that boat, check out the Swap and Sell.

    If you're looking for prices on Goo's stuff, or if you have other pre-sales questions, please contact him directly. Our forum rules prohibit commercial posts with the exception of the sponsor of the forum in which they appear. This includes pricing information, or any other information that is sales-related, posted by representatives of companies selling those products. We do this not to inhibit the flow of information, but to give value to the sponsorship of our forums. If we allow competitors to advertise in our sponsored forums, we erode the value of sponsorship. As you can imagine, there is a lot of cost associated with keeping this site up, running, and growing. Those costs are paid by our advertisers. Any outdoor-related company is welcome to participate in our advertising program, however we occasionally see companies that are not in the ad program wanting to promote their goods or services here, and that's where we have to draw the line. It's about fairness to those who have invested their finances in this site.

    The primary purpose of this site is the exchange of information about the Alaska outdoors. In order to do that, we have to pay the costs to keep the contents of the site free to our members and guests. The ad program is how we do that.

    Sorry for the rehash of our rules, but lately we have had to deal with several violations of this.

    Thanks for your patience!

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    And why does any of this mean that Goo can't show photos of a new product on some Russian waters. Because that product is not offered by the site sponsor and Goo is not their employee?? Is this site for the members or the sponsor? I thought this forum was about enjoying Alaskan outdoors not about monopolizing members shopping by only allowing product info that someone has apparently approved for us. Does not make me want to use the site sponsor for anything.

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    Billfish, I have no financial interest in this website and should probably just let Mike speak for himself but sometimes I can't help myself.

    Just about every commercial website/forum has as its prime purpose the generation of income for the owner. Allowing posts that undermine that purpose will erode the main reason for hosting the site. If the plan is to only frequent sites that that have no goal of making a profit, we would not be doing much web surfing.

    Goo does a fine business selling good products. I appreciate his excellent input on many subjects related to boating and I would love to see his pictures too. But the rules are in place partly to maintain value, or at least perceived value, to sponsors. Besides, Goo can advertise here whenever he wants. I'd like to see that too.
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    Hey Jim,

    I appreciate your taking the time to explain the program here and it is not my intention to offend you or to be argumentative. I do believe that your perception of what most outdoor forums are about is completely wrong based on my own experiences.

    Whatever, I guess the key word has sunk in and it is "commercial forum" and that is not what I thought this was about. No big deal, I just prefer uncensored information and will move on. I don't have the time or interest in being part anyones biased agendas without the opportunity for feedback from people with real experience. It defeats the purpose of a forum, and if anything this type of censored information is exactly what I do not want.

    Good luck with your club.

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    All organizations have rules, is that so hard to digest?

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    Man --this is not a gumbo pot-- not trying to sell anyone- anything for free-- just sharing unique experiences-- Might as well just keep all this in my own brain or with friends. Boating has and is changing fast-- Yes, as many of you know have been doing it for over 30 years and she is another, much easier world now, with new gear-- Enough said!!
    My most important thoughts from my time in and out of the water is learn and respect the river!! Just like a Women her mood changes- at will and only a fool could try to predict whats next!! Learn to read what is in front of you-- but look what is down below. MY two favorite things in life!!!
    Safe boating and lots of fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by billfish View Post
    And why does any of this mean that Goo can't show photos of a new product on some Russian waters. Because that product is not offered by the site sponsor and Goo is not their employee?? Is this site for the members or the sponsor? I thought this forum was about enjoying Alaskan outdoors not about monopolizing members shopping by only allowing product info that someone has apparently approved for us. Does not make me want to use the site sponsor for anything.
    Sorry for not getting back to you on this one. The last five weeks have been crazy, with three batches of relatives and guests, each one overlapping the other by a week. I just got back from escorting my little nephews to Reno last night and arrived here at 2am. Their mom passed away a few years back and I owed them a trip to Alaska... It's been a crazy two months...

    I have not prohibited anyone from posting photos or a writeup. Goo is certainly welcome to post something on the Russia trip (it would probably have to go in our "Out and About" forum, which is for posts dealing with outdoor stuff outside Alaska). Personally, I'd like to see it. He's been there a bunch of times as a commercial operator and privately and he has a ton of info on that area that I've never seen. It would be fascinating to read and see.

    As a separate issue (and it is separate), we don't allow posts of a commercial nature on this site, unless it is from the sponsor of that particular forum. And even in those cases we want to limit their posts to content relevant to that forum. For example if a company carries rafting gear and ATVs, but is only sponsoring the rafting forum, we don't want them selling ATVs in the rafting forum. And we ask all of them to limit their commercial posts. It should go without saying that we can't allow competitors to post their wares in a forum they are not sponsoring. That only makes sense.

    I mostly agree with what Jim said, with the exception that the primary purpose of this site is to provide information about the Alaska outdoors. That gets me into trouble sometimes, because I provided content to the site for many years for free, and continue to do so. Then when I bought it, I remained focused on the content and the user experience, sometimes to the financial detriment of the business. Thankfully I am surrounded by people who are not afraid to ask me how a given project will pay for itself here (I have tons of things coming to the site that you folks have not seen yet). The money comes into the picture because we have to pay to keep the site up and running. This means I have to pay server costs, hosting, technical assistance of various kinds, product purchases for the bookstore (I think I have over 15K tied up just in the store inventory), labor costs for my employees (including worker's comp), contractor fees, office equipment, travel costs and a host of other costs just to keep the place operating. There are two ways we can cover those costs: 1) charge our members for access or 2) solicit advertisers. We are not going to charge people for access to the site. The entire Internet has grown up in a culture that fosters the free exchange of information. I personally support that idea. If we start charging for it we will die. Sooo... we sell advertising on the site. But there is a delicate balance between creating a good user experience for guys like you, and turning the whole thing into a billboard. We are trying to find that balance and we will probably never totally nail it. But we think we have an ad program that works; we have guidelines for it, and protection for the folks who spend their ad dollars here. Part of that protection involves forbidding the posting of unsolicited advertising, regardless of how the advertiser portrays it (and some are pretty clever). That is NOT censorship; it's enforcement of our protection of our ad customers.

    To my knowledge, we have never turned down an advertiser. Those who would like to advertise with us are welcome to contact Icebear at 1 (907) 895-4919 for the details, or review our Advertising Prices page. We keep our rates VERY reasonable for our Alaska-based companies because we know their budgets are as tight as ours. The outdoors market is a tough place to make a living. Just in the last two months I offered to carry several new operators at no cost for a time, just so they could assess whether it was worth it. We are not "all about the money", but we do need to pay our bills.

    Hope that all makes sense? If not, shoot me a PM with your questions and such. I don't want to hijack this thread any more than I already have...

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