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    Default Commercial fishery EO's... where's the beef?



    Anybody seen Old McDonald lately? Wouldn't want him to miss his curtain call.

    With less than 4 days till the 1st opener, it looks pretty lonely on this page....

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=cfnews.main

    Maybe Miss Clara's right. Think there's anybody back there? Where's the beef?
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    Hoping to break that 20k bycatch Doc.

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    . . . I don't get it . . . what's this about . . . is there a point here . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    . . . I don't get it . . . what's this about . . . is there a point here . . .
    Physician wants setnetters closed. He said that in another post. I guess sportfishermen can fish 22 days in June, but setnetters shouldn't be able to fish any. I highly doubt unless there's a lot of reds show up it will be anything other than Mondays and Thursdays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 33outdoorsman View Post

    Physician wants setnetters closed. He said that in another post.

    I defy you to find where I posted that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 33outdoorsman View Post
    Physician wants setnetters closed. He said that in another post. I guess sportfishermen can fish 22 days in June, but setnetters shouldn't be able to fish any. I highly doubt unless there's a lot of reds show up it will be anything other than Mondays and Thursdays.
    Doc's (and others) hostility toward the set-nets is long-standing and a matter of record:

    —from Salmon-Trout-Steelheader, April/May, 2002, “Giant Kenai River Kings” by —————————:

    “The senseless slaughter of kings in the sockeye gillnets must stop."

    King anglers and commercial, in-river fishing interests have long resented the portion of second-run kings historically taken by Cook Inlet's gill-net industry, predominately by the East side set-nets. These folks want 100 percent of second-run kings devoted to the sport fishery. Simply put, they want it all.

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    —from Salmon-Trout-Steelheader, April/May, 2002, “Giant Kenai River Kings” by —————————:
    “The senseless slaughter of kings in the sockeye gillnets must stop."

    For any who might not know, what the author of the article calls the senseless "slaughter" of kings by Cook Inlet's gill-net industry is nothing more than the mandated harvest of the sustainable yield of a mixed-stock fishery—sockeye and kings in this case. Second-run sockeye and king salmon run concurrently, and to harvest one is to harvest the other as well though with the overwhelming preponderance of sockeye, the vast bulk of the harvest is sockeye.

    Historically, the gill-nets have taken about one-fourth of the second-run kings, the sport harvest historically takes about one-fourth, and half the run gets to spawn.

    Calling the historic harvest of kings by the gill-net industry "senseless slaughter" is outlandish hyperbole and only serves to illustrate the speaker's bias: "Any harvest of kings by other than sportfishing is senseless slaughter."

    Other folks have a different opinion on the matter . . .

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    —from Salmon-Trout-Steelheader, April/May, 2002, “Giant Kenai River Kings” by —————————:
    “The senseless slaughter of kings in the sockeye gillnets must stop."

    PS:
    To such "sport-fishermen," a king salmon killed in the sportfishery by catch-and-release for fun makes more sense than does a king salmon killed by the gill-net industry for food.

    Other folks have a different opinion . . .

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    Physician--

    "Eagerly anticipating the EO to keep all setnets out of the 1 mile corridor along the beaches.

    Allocate the forgone beach harvest with extra EO time to the drift fleet which has minimal impact on the kings.
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    If this doesn't say that you want setnetters closed, tell me what it does mean. 'Eagerly anticipating the EO to keep all setnets out of the 1 mile corridor,' sure does sound to me like your "eagerly anticipating" an EO to close setnetters. 'Allocate the beach harvest with extra EO time to the drift fleet,' If this doesn't say allow the drifters to catch what setnetters would have, please explain further what it means.

    Even your first post on this thread implies that you want some EO's for the setnetters, even though the season hasn't started yet, and there are no indications to fish anything but regular periods so far.

    Setnetters will be fished conservatively this year I can pretty much guarantee that, if not the BOF will hit setnetters so hard the next BOF, then you probably could expect regulations, "to keep all setnets out of the 1 mile corridor along the beaches."

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    On a lighter note the entire Susitna River Drainage has a new EO stating Monday of zero king fishing to include no C&R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 33outdoorsman View Post
    "Eagerly anticipating the EO to keep all setnets out of the 1 mile corridor along the beaches.

    Allocate the forgone beach harvest with extra EO time to the drift fleet which has minimal impact on the kings.
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    It says EXACTLY what it says in plain spoken English. Nothing there about closure. Push the fixed gear out a mile from low water. Reds will still be caught. Kings will be saved.
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    You gotta love the non-residents that come up for a week or two a year and want to tell us all how to manage our fisheries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKJOB View Post
    You gotta love the non-residents that come up for a week or two a year and want to tell us all how to manage our fisheries.
    You only have to live there a year to claim residency, and two years to get a PFD check. If you're a citizen of the US, it's just another state.

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    Default Commercial fishery EO's... where's the beef?

    WHOOP there it is.....

    UPPER COOK INLET COMMERCIAL FISHING ANNOUNCEMENT No. 3
    EMERGENCY ORDER NUMBER 2S-03-12
    Upper Cook Inlet Commercial Fishing Announcement No. 3 closes set gillnetting in the Kasilof Section of the Upper Subdistrict of Upper Cook Inlet on Monday, June 25, 2012 from 7:00 a.m. until 7:00 p.m.
    The Upper Subdistrict set gillnet fishery (east side setnet fishery) is managed from the beginning of the season through July 7 primarily under the guidelines of 5AAC 21.365
    Kasilof River Salmon Management Plan. The objective of this plan is to govern the harvest of Kasilof River salmon excess to spawning escapement needs. The Alaska Board of Fisheries (board) has stated that it is their intent that salmon be harvested in the fisheries that have historically harvested them, including the methods, means, times and locations of these fisheries. The primary harvester of Kasilof River sockeye salmon is the Kasilof Section set gillnet fishery. The board established the season opening date for this fishery as the first regular period (Monday or Thursday) on or after June 25.
    However, based on the poor performance of Kenai River early-run king salmon stocks, as well as king salmon stocks in Cook Inlet and other areas of the state, it is likely that the Kenai River late-run king salmon stock will also experience poor performance and require conservative management. Therefore, the department intends to manage the Kasilof Section set gillnet fishery with two primary objectives. First, the department is charged with meeting an optimum escapement goal (OEG) in the Kasilof River, enumerated with sonar, of 160,000-390,000 sockeye salmon. The set gillnet fishery will be fished with this escapement objective as the primary management target. In addition, the fishery will also be managed to conserve late-run king salmon stocks, especially if inseason assessment reveals these stocks are performing poorly. Commercial fishing openings will be predicated upon sockeye salmon escapement levels and inseason assessment of late-run king salmon stocks. This is a significant change in the management of the Upper Subdistrict set gillnet fishery, but the department’s priority is to ensure adequate escapement and conserve salmon stocks when necessary.
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    The results are in!

    Looks like the setnet EO for 6/25 (yday) was extremely effective...

    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...arvest_current

    Only 13 kings taken for over 7000 driftnet-caught sockeye for all of UCI.
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    Is effectiveness measured by way that only 13 Chinook were taken as a by-catch, or measured by the escapement.

    I'd like to see an increased weir count of in-rive fishes before considering it effective.

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    Well, we'd all like to see something, wouldn't we . . we all have our axes to grind, and effectiveness will be measured by each user group as to how well they imagine their self-interests are being served.

    Rest absolutely assured that whatever ADF&G does, someone's gonna squall like a stuck hog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWB View Post
    Is effectiveness measured by way that only 13 Chinook were taken as a by-catch, or measured by the escapement.

    I'd like to see an increased weir count of in-rive fishes before considering it effective.
    Dead kings would have numbered in the hundreds in the absence of the EO.

    I believe it served its intended purpose.
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    Question Just curious . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    Dead kings would have numbered in the hundreds in the absence of the EO. . .
    In the hundreds?

    And you know this for certain how? . . .

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    I'm not opposed to closures in river, and out. They both serve their purpose.

    I think they need bigger holes in the nets

    Compromise.

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