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    You see some ammo with a lable that saws Law Enforcement on it. What is the difference in it and regular ammo. Does it have to meet a higher standard tham regular ammo?

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    Speer makes a loaded .223 round using their gold dot bullet. According to the website it says "LEO only" on the box because the powder has a flash inhibitor on it for less muzzle flash.

    Basically they are saying you can easily duplicate the balistics of this load, it is the flame inhibitor you can't buy. Not sure about others, looking forward to hearing.

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    It means they can charge 50% to 100% more for virtually the same thing.
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    Has absolutely nothing to do with mfg standards.

    LEO labeled ammo is simply bullet & velocity loadings that are intended to be highly effective when shooting bad people. Sometimes they have more velocity than a "standard" load (e.g. +P and +P+ loads). Sometimes there is no difference whatsoever and the LEO label is there only for the benefit of the lawyers. As an example, the Hornady V-Max varmint loads in 223 were found to be simply awesome in making actively violent criminals instantly fall over dead. However, the lawyers took exception to the police shooting at people with "varmint" loads. So Hornady took the V-Max and put them in a fancy new box labeled "Tactical Application Police (TAP)" and called it LEO only. This allowed the police to use the round that was proven effective without the BS that defense lawyers will dish on after a police shooting. There was zero difference between a 223 TAP and V-Max load beyond the packaging.

    As for getting LEO ammo, there are some places (e.g. California, New York, Illinois, etc.) where they won't sell LEO ammo to the public. And then there are many other places (Alaska) where no one cares.
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    There is a news woman on tv that I do not watch her show however my wife does. Her name is Nancy Grace and she covers a lot of cases involving shootings. She talks a lot about people using law enforcement ammo in a shooting. It don't seem to matter what the circumstances of the shooting was if the person had law enforcement ammo in there gun, they are guilty. I would bet she has no idea what the difference in regular ammo and law enforcement ammo is. I have been reloading for almost fourty years and I did not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cast Iron View Post
    You see some ammo with a lable that saws Law Enforcement on it. What is the difference in it and regular ammo. Does it have to meet a higher standard tham regular ammo?
    Just advertising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOAT View Post
    Has absolutely nothing to do with mfg standards.

    LEO labeled ammo is simply bullet & velocity loadings that are intended to be highly effective when shooting bad people. Sometimes they have more velocity than a "standard" load (e.g. +P and +P+ loads). Sometimes there is no difference whatsoever and the LEO label is there only for the benefit of the lawyers. As an example, the Hornady V-Max varmint loads in 223 were found to be simply awesome in making actively violent criminals instantly fall over dead. However, the lawyers took exception to the police shooting at people with "varmint" loads. So Hornady took the V-Max and put them in a fancy new box labeled "Tactical Application Police (TAP)" and called it LEO only. This allowed the police to use the round that was proven effective without the BS that defense lawyers will dish on after a police shooting. There was zero difference between a 223 TAP and V-Max load beyond the packaging.

    As for getting LEO ammo, there are some places (e.g. California, New York, Illinois, etc.) where they won't sell LEO ammo to the public. And then there are many other places (Alaska) where no one cares.
    I've wondered about that.

    Do you know if it's also true with the LEO versions of 5.7x28mm ammo? Seems like it's REALLY hard to come by and what's is available is hundreds of dollars a box.

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    It is a bunch of crap, BS, sales gimmick, etc. and ammo companies should quit labeling their ammo like that. Lawyers often use any advantage the judge will allow and it is not hard for them to influence most jurors that some one is dead because of the bullet used and forget about whether or not they needed to be shot. That holds true in both civil and criminal court. If me, Murphy, Joat, Brown Bear and a host of others on this forum were on the jury we would be more concerned with justice and why the defendant believed shooting some one had to be done. A private citizen should have access to the best "stopping ammo" and I believe it is prudent to keep a bunch of it handy. We have all this LE only ammo, magazine capacity, etc. BS because of judges, lawyers, ignorant jurors and self serving life time politicians. Whew, what was your question?

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    Nancy Grace is an idiot and has no clue what she is talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKDoug View Post
    Nancy Grace is an idiot and has no clue what she is talking about.
    Very true but not exactly just released news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKDoug View Post
    Nancy Grace is an idiot and has no clue what she is talking about.
    That's woman’s picture is enough to irritate me. The way she sensationalize everything is sickening.

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    Most of it is contract overrun that was ordered for a large department(s) and what wasn't bought up by the agencies is sold on the open market. There is no difference in it other than the packaging.

    Do you know if it's also true with the LEO versions of 5.7x28mm ammo? Seems like it's REALLY hard to come by and what's is available is hundreds of dollars a box.
    The LEO/govt version of FN 5.7 ammo is designed to be armor-piercing. Since it can be run in both a the sub-gun/carbine and handgun it is illegal for commercial sales.
    Armor-piercing in rifle is good, in handguns bad or so says the govt.
    Now what ?

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