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    Default Best Rifle 4 Black Bear Over Bait

    I have done a search on this topic and found that most just use whatever rifle they have from 243 and up. My question to you guys is if you where to buy a rifle for just black bear baitting what would you buy and why. Of course I could prolly' find other uses for it as well.
    This will be my first year bear baitting. I have a 270 roy and an 8mm rem mag. for big game rifles. I know these will work but I was thinking more along the lines of an open sighted lever gun or.....
    Would a 44 mag lever be enough without edging towards too light? Maybe a 444 or even a 35 rem? What do you guys think? A 44 mag would be cool if I could carry the same ammo as my pistol.

    Thanks, Jake

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    First I agree that the guns you already have would do the job, with the right bullet. If I were going to hunt over bait at close range out to 100yds
    My choice would be a Marlin 450 or 45/70. Big bullet, big hole, big blood trail, Its all a good thing. Everyone has their own thinking about scoped or not. I like a low power, quality scopes with see through flip up covers. Them dang critters seem to come in for me right at last shooting light, and these old eyes ain't much.

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    Ive shot three bears over the years from bait stands.I used my 45-70 with handloads;400 grain Barnes @1800 fps.Never had to worry about blood trail,they all dropped in there tracks.Dam,,,bear sounds pretty yummy right about now.

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    I too like big guns & big holes that go all the way through.
    444, 450, & 45-70 would all be great! A Marlin in 35 Rem or 375 Winchester would be slick too.
    That said, heavy bullets driven from a good .44 mag lever gun would be fine. My wife has a Win. Trapper carbine in .44 mag & I wouldn't hesitate to use it with the same loads I use in my Mod. 29 revolver. 300 or 320 hardcast bullets driven at 1300-1350 in the 8&3/8 barreled revolver. They did 1550fps in my 14" Contender, & I'm not sure what they would do in the 16" barreled carbine. 1625-1650???
    For that matter I hunt with handguns or bows & have no problem with the revolver for hunting over bait, or out to about 75 yds on blackbear. I have a red dot sight on mine & have been considering sticking one on the carbine too. Would be a slick little gun.
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    I have shot one black bear with my Marlin 450 and it set him down right now. I like open sights in a tree stand. I did practice a bunch and found that I had to position myself to absorb the recoil when dangling from 15' up. What a blast though.

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    There have been alot of responses so far for the 45-70/450 marlin. I would think that @ anywhere from a 20-50 yd. shot a cart. with a lil' bit less power would be completly appropriate. I'm not against getting a 45-70, or 450 marlin, Infact I would like to have one. I just kinda want somthing a little bit diff.

    Keep em' comin, Thanks Jake

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    .44 mag, .45 LC or .454 lever gun would be great for close range baiting, and you could carry the same ammo for your wheelgun.

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    Probably two of the most underated would be the .358 Win and the .35 Remington. Both with a 200 grain softpoint are more than enough from a bait stand.

    You did not say though, how far your stand was from the bait. It could make a difference.

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    I'm using my 375 H&H. I hope I don't get blown out of the tree.

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    I hope you will be able to find the bear when he lands in the next zip code!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveinthebush View Post
    Probably two of the most underated would be the .358 Win and the .35 Remington. Both with a 200 grain softpoint are more than enough from a bait stand.

    You did not say though, how far your stand was from the bait. It could make a difference.
    I have not located a good spot yet. I hope to find one in the next weak or two. I have a few areas that look good. I would guess some where between 15-40 yds.

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    I was thinking the same question today. Getting ready to hunt over bait for the first time and all I have are scoped rifles. Couldn't bring my safe up here when I moved up last year, so I stored it and much of the goodies at my folks house.

    One thing I don't have is a lever gun. Had a couple over the years in 444 and 30-30--kind miss them now that I think of it. But if there was ever a situation ideal for using an open sight or scout scoped lever, over bait would seem to be it. My hunting partner is going to bow hunt--I slipped on the ice last month and thought I broke my arm and am laying the bow down till the fall--so will be shooting.

    We will be setting the stand up however within bow range of the bait. At the distance already discussed, 15-20 yrds, would ya'll still lean towards a 45-70 over a 44?

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    are you looking for an excuse to buy a new gun, such as a new marlin? i'd go 45/70, but i'm limited on experience. that's just what i'd get if i had the money.

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    I'd say a good shot placement with any gun you own would do the trick
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    Default get a grip!

    NOT any gun!

    Try to be helpful if you can figure out how!

    Look, shot placement is important however, with bears you also need a good penetrating piece of metal.

    Monkey boy's info to you at best is incomplete,.........and I'll leave it at that.

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    My choice is a Marlin 450. Great gun for bear... and moose,too. Just remember that a 450 / .45-70 is a "hundred yard gun" and maybe you can shoot it to 150 yds. Then again, all the bears and moose I ever seen taken here in Maine were under 100 yards!

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    LOL,,,isnt that the truth.Hes always looking to chime in no matter if he has any real info..I believe what ever gun you choose ,you a well constructed bullet.Its hard to beat the 45-70,I was very impressed with it on black bear.And what a rush,talk about buck,,errr bear fever,,,when my first bear came to the bait my heart started to pound.Very cool,what a feeling.My first bear walked right between the trees where my stand was built.I shot that bear at about 20 feet.

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    Default My first bear over bait

    i shot it with a smith and wesson 8 3/8 barrel in 357 with 157grn hollow points at maybe 15 to 20 yards max. it ran maybe 30 yards and climbed a tree and blew a death moan and fell all with in a few seconds. I admit i had no idea my dad was packing people loads. but a lung shot worked.

    so i think whatever you pick you be fine if not over gunned. but like you said, then you have a gun for other things too. good luck.
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    Wink short barreled lever gun

    guide gun in .444 or .450 marlin, .45-70 will knock all flat. a fiber optic front sight and a ghost ring rear sight would be a nice touch as well.

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    Default How much penetration out of the .357?

    I would like to hear how the .357 did on your bear.

    Regardless of rifle--I will also pack a 44 wheel gun. I have taken a ton of deer and hogs with handgun, but never a bear (period). I thought it would be cool to take my first bear with a handgun, esp considering the closer distances invovled with our setup. I am very accurate with it, and confident I can make a well placed shot. I am uncertain, however, of 44 handgun performance on black bear. Seems like a downward shot into the shoulder area has some fairly significant bone to crunch. Anyone with experience using 44mag in the 240gr range on bears?

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