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Thread: SFW, Rossi, Vincent-Lang and the clown show.

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    Default SFW, Rossi, Vincent-Lang and the clown show.

    Here is a pretty good article describing the ideas SFW has in mind for Alaska. Just when I thought it could not get more ridiculous, they go and top themselves again. Private hunting seasons, landowners actually owning wildlife. I really like the small government, freedom first principals that create new positions within F&G soley for the purpose of managing a program so wealthy landowners and clubs like SFW can have for profit, private hunting ranches and seasons, funded by those they aim to keep out. Genius.

    The whole idea is so dumb it's hard to believe it's even being considered. And that darn AK constitution...Parnell and the rest of the rotten lot only seem to follow the parts they like.

    Speak up SFW supporters, these are your leaders....Rossi, Peay.

    http://www.adn.com/2012/03/03/235050...s-weighed.html

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    It's a sad day for Alaska and wildlife management. Our current administration and their outside political interest will destroy or sell anything that might have been left for our children or grandchildren. I would suggest all who normally disagree on here to look long and hard at what has been done and is being proposed. I will be writing a check to the first organization initiating a recall of our govenor.

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    Now Earl, you know that SFW wants to turn Alaska into a giant game farm. They've made that clear from the start. Those of us who pointed that out have been poo poo'd the whole way. I'm starting to see that the Alaska Moose Federation is in it up to their necks with SFW even if there is no official connection.
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    Golden rule, baby; those wit da gold make da rules. Hold the Alaska constitution up to a black light that's what it says
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    When you have no fair chase ethics, you're fat/ lazy/ and there's a "clique" of wealthy landowners like you...... you do your hunting at a game ranch! Another method to achieve success is to infest the Fish & Game politics with the idea of privileged land-owner only "special clique" hunts.

    Look at the game ranch/private owner privileged hunting scenes in the lower 48. It locks the little guy out of public land every time.

    Hopefully this ideological disease doesn't infect the state of Alaska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak View Post
    Hopefully this ideological disease doesn't infect the state of Alaska.
    Too late. They already have the Gov's office, Leadership at F&G, the BOG, a good number of the AC's, the legislature. Man, the inmates are already running the asylum. Every now and then a weak one (Rossi, Lloyd) out dumbs himself and falls behind, but relying on them to disappear one by one through self inflicted attrition is a poor strategdy. It's time for the grown ups to require science and sound management and call these people out for their mishegas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlpineEarl View Post
    Too late. They already have the Gov's office, Leadership at F&G, the BOG, a good number of the AC's, the legislature. Man, the inmates are already running the asylum. Every now and then a weak one (Rossi, Lloyd) out dumbs himself and falls behind, but relying on them to disappear one by one through self inflicted attrition is a poor strategdy. It's time for the grown ups to require science and sound management and call these people out for their mishegas.
    Have actually been working on that in earnest for a long time and it is with great interest that I watch the errant progression rile more.
    The Knik 'process' has been very educational and even prescient in ways - very particularly the 'leadership' squashing of F&G's finest, as well as other entities of note that had invaluable contributions to offer - not to mention previously inked public processes. Whether or not one agrees with the outcome of that event, it was an exercise and pivotal point for some of the political ploys being employed now. In some quarters, respect and responsibility are of little use.

    You are so correct, AlpineEarl . It is overdue .......
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    Wow........WOW! ............. The arrogant barnturds. I have been reluctant to criticize some of what the State was doing with fish and game BUT now............Yikes. And if it is true we are only seeing the 'real screw-ups' like Rossi......Holy Crap...its time to clean house for sure.
    Your sarcasm is way, waaaayyyyyyyy more sarcastic than mine!

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    You reap what you sow. I don't understand how any Alaskan could still support SFW in good conscience (unless you are a landowner, of course), now that Peay has printed his views in black and white.

    Peay, who stressed that the Utah chapter isn't trying to push its view in Alaska or even with the Alaska chapter, said it's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource. Peay described that egalitarian doctrine, found in Alaska's state constitution and laws throughout the West, as "socialism." It offers no economic incentive for landowners to kill predators, improve big game habitat and even provide food and water for target species.

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    I'm finding myself agreeing wholeheartedly with folks I am usually on the other side of the fence from. Scary stuff.
    Yes... time to clean house

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    I have been very surprised for a few years now that there wasn't a new thread started every week on here about these RATS!!


    SFW will stop at nothing to set up camp in AK. or anywhere else there's good tags that they have half a chance to snag up and sell to the highest bidder, It's been a constant battle for years in Idaho trying to keep these tag pimps from getting our best tags but they just keep coming after em from every angle and direction possible over and over and over....They have no conscience!!! Ya cant let your guard down for even one second. If you care in the least about the future of hunting in AK take a few minutes to read this http://onyourownadventures.com/huntt...d.php?t=249798
    Scroll down and start at post # 16 then go from there, it's a pretty good account of the SFW expo in SLC. UT. I do believe there were a few Alaska tags SOLD!!!! there and NONE!! of you boys have a chance for any of them,unless of course you board a plane for Utah and attend the expo with a suitcase full of C notes..
    Heck if nothing else you can read a little about Rossi rubbing elbows with his SFW buddies at this years expo in the link I posted above.

    Some might find this intresting also,,http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforu...ID5/19150.html

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    Here's a funny for ya Slimm.... Not everyone who attends the SFW fest is a supporter, because BHA signed up nearly 100 new members there
    Alaska Board of Game 2015 tour... "Kicking the can down the road"
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    Man, even after being busted for poaching at an SFW camp he still has the balls to go to the convention. They don't even attempt to hide it fellas, so they must feel quite comfortable screwing us and then struttin around. Pathetic.

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    LMAO homer,, No not everybody that attends the expo supports SFW, in fact most that attends hate SFW but if they want a crack at the best tags they're forced to go and try their luck with ol Peay deay.

    Yer a pretty fart smeller settin' up a booth at the expo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimm View Post
    Yer a pretty fart smeller settin' up a booth at the expo.
    Not me, I think it was the Utah chapter had that coup.
    The Alaska chapter is strictly an in-state operation.
    Alaska Board of Game 2015 tour... "Kicking the can down the road"
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    Good to hear there is opposition but how bout this statement made by our legislator......."I don't know where that idea came from but it's certainly not one I would have supported in the legislative process," Hawker said.
    Told it came from Rossi, Hawker said he didn't know him and had never talked to him. Had Rossi asked, "I would have told him it was pretty foolish," Hawker said.
    Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/03/05/235356...#storylink=cpy Holy cow.....Don't our Reps read the paper or pay attention to what the State's Dept;s are doing?? HE DOESN'T KNOW ROSSI??
    Your sarcasm is way, waaaayyyyyyyy more sarcastic than mine!

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    Please contact your state legislator about this. I have already contacted mine along with the handful I am personally acquainted with.
    If cave men had been trophy hunters the Wooly Mammoth would be alive today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik in AK View Post
    Please contact your state legislator about this. I have already contacted mine along with the handful I am personally acquainted with.
    And what difference does that make Erik? The ones who you're probably "aquainted with" are listed as big time players in bed with AMF too. They were claiming they are a tax exempt non-profit when in fact, they are not. Their shady millions of dollars taken from the state of AK are unaccounted for. You can track their loss of non-exempt status being revoked on the irs.gov website. If you read Federal and State regulations regarding non-profits, there have been many laws broken, by both your "legislators" who are listed as advisory members of AMF.

    By all means, contact the ones who are the problem Erik.

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    Mainer,
    While most people are quick to voice their opinions over coffee, or beers, or the internet, most stop short at contacting those that represent them. I am in the minority that calls, emails, and when really worked up, sends a letter on really good paper (a letter is worth 10,000 opinions according to most DC staffers).

    I don't know who you're referring to by "my legislators". I was in Bob Lynn's district but due to reapportionment am now in Craig Johnston's. I contacted those I know on a personal level because I can even though I have no guarantees they agree or will act on my suggestion. Regardless, I will not stop sharing my opinions with those elected to legislate on my behalf.
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