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    For those of you that are interested in predator control, you might be interested in following what this organization is doing in the lower 48. Or if you would like to voice your opinion.


    Proposed plans released to create a "Yellowstone" of the Southern Rockies.....

    Folks,

    I am sending you the official
    Proposed plans released to create a "Yellowstone" of the Southern Rockies.....

    Folks,

    I am sending you the official plan from the federal government to place wolves in the Southern Rockies. Every sportsman in America needs to see this plan. These plans will spread wolves into 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Here is what they are doing: Baca National Wildlife refuge in Southern Colorado will have wolves transplanted in 2012 if portions of this plan are implemented. Baca is much, much smaller than Yellowstone. It is only 70 Miles from Northern New Mexico. It is only 250 Miles from Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. Wolves can travel that far in less than a week.

    Yellowstone National Park was used to introduce wolves to the Northern Rockies. Without your help, history will repeat itself this year in the Southern Rockies.

    See the official plan for yourself at the link below (look on page 8, bottom of the first column where they mention the introduction of wolves in Colorado's Baca National Wildlife Refuge).

    http://www.fws.gov/alamosa/planning/...date2_web2.pdf

    Here is how you can help stop these plans:
    (1) Spread the word: Send this email to 10 friends and ask them to forward this email to more friends.
    (2) Join the Fight: If you haven't already, sign the online petition to stop these wolf expansion plans at http://biggameforever.org
    (3) Take Action: It only takes 30 seconds to send a message to your representatives in Congress to stop these plans. Simply go tohttp://biggameforever.org/takeaction and click the “Take Action” button to send a message in support of two bills in Congress, S. 249 and H.R. 509, the Big Game and Livestock Protection Act. Without S. 249 and H.R. 509, it will be very difficult to slow down these plans to expand wolves throughout 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Without a very substantial outcry from sportsmen and livestock owners, wolves will very likely be placed in Colorado this year. While attempts have been made to dismiss the use of wolves as "not the preferred alternative," now that they are an official part of the plan, we are one very small step away from having wolves introduced into Baca National Widlife Refuge. We can't leave this to chance.

    Over 10,000 messages have already been sent to Congress to stop the plans to put wolves in the Baca, but we need many, many more. Especially from the 600,0000 hunters in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah.

    We all need to join the fight to stop this from happening. Remember, Idaho's elk harvest has been cut in half by wolves. Wolves have been a huge burden for livestock producers. Without substantial changes to the underlying statutes, it is a bad idea to spread these failed policies to the Southern Rockies.

    Here are some news articles about these plans for wolves in Colorado.

    http://www.chieftain.com/news/region...871e3ce6c.html

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...35/detail.html

    http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headli...138133208.html

    http://trib.com/news/state-and-local...01facb586.html

    http://pagosasprings.com/wolf-releas...e-for-comfort/

    We are continuing to research this developing story. We will keep you apprised as developments arise.

    Thanks for your willingness to join the fight to protect our ranching and outdoor heritage.
    --
    Ryan Benson
    http://biggameforever.org/
    ryandbenson@msn.complan from the federal government to place wolves in the Southern Rockies. Every sportsman in America needs to see this plan. These plans will spread wolves into 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Here is what they are doing: Baca National Wildlife refuge in Southern Colorado will have wolves transplanted in 2012 if portions of this plan are implemented. Baca is much, much smaller than Yellowstone. It is only 70 Miles from Northern New Mexico. It is only 250 Miles from Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. Wolves can travel that far in less than a week.

    Yellowstone National Park was used to introduce wolves to the Northern Rockies. Without your help, history will repeat itself this year in the Southern Rockies.

    See the official plan for yourself at the link below (look on page 8, bottom of the first column where they mention the introduction of wolves in Colorado's Baca National Wildlife Refuge).

    http://www.fws.gov/alamosa/planning/...date2_web2.pdf

    Here is how you can help stop these plans:
    (1) Spread the word: Send this email to 10 friends and ask them to forward this email to more friends.
    (2) Join the Fight: If you haven't already, sign the online petition to stop these wolf expansion plans at http://biggameforever.org
    (3) Take Action: It only takes 30 seconds to send a message to your representatives in Congress to stop these plans. Simply go tohttp://biggameforever.org/takeaction and click the “Take Action” button to send a message in support of two bills in Congress, S. 249 and H.R. 509, the Big Game and Livestock Protection Act. Without S. 249 and H.R. 509, it will be very difficult to slow down these plans to expand wolves throughout 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Without a very substantial outcry from sportsmen and livestock owners, wolves will very likely be placed in Colorado this year. While attempts have been made to dismiss the use of wolves as "not the preferred alternative," now that they are an official part of the plan, we are one very small step away from having wolves introduced into Baca National Widlife Refuge. We can't leave this to chance.

    Over 10,000 messages have already been sent to Congress to stop the plans to put wolves in the Baca, but we need many, many more. Especially from the 600,0000 hunters in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah.

    We all need to join the fight to stop this from happening. Remember, Idaho's elk harvest has been cut in half by wolves. Wolves have been a huge burden for livestock producers. Without substantial changes to the underlying statutes, it is a bad idea to spread these failed policies to the Southern Rockies.

    Here are some news articles about these plans for wolves in Colorado.

    http://www.chieftain.com/news/region...871e3ce6c.html

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...35/detail.html

    http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headli...138133208.html

    http://trib.com/news/state-and-local...01facb586.html

    http://pagosasprings.com/wolf-releas...e-for-comfort/

    We are continuing to research this developing story. We will keep you apprised as developments arise.

    Thanks for your willingness to join the fight to protect our ranching and outdoor heritage.
    --
    Ryan Benson
    http://biggameforever.org/
    ryandbenson@msn.com

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    Good Luck with it. I find it amazing that .gov has the money and initiative to initiate such endeavors, when national debt is horrendous and out borders are compromised beyond belief. Disgusting!!!
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    Hence the new front steet and hospital in Wrangell,millions in free money?Untill little government is able to controll itself we are lost.Oh ya there is the fifty million to pave the harbour parking lot.We have at most five hundred check earners in this town and most government but heck its free money
    Now left only to be a turd in the forrest and the circle will be complete.Use me as I have used you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akres View Post
    Good Luck with it. I find it amazing that .gov has the money and initiative to initiate such endeavors, when national debt is horrendous and out borders are compromised beyond belief. Disgusting!!!
    You "might" want to read this: http://biggameforever.org/about-us.php

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    "Immediate Congressional action is needed to restore balance between wolves and the ecosystem."

    What drivel. Colorado has been way over objectives for elk for a while; sport hunters ain't doing the trick, give the wolves a shot. If some boutique "rancher" don't like it, well, bou-hoo
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    WOW! People actually fall for this political mumbo jumbo haha.. Currently standing on one of Alaska's own ranches... When we hear the wolves call we simply 'grin' and thank god.. means there's more to trap!!
    Give me a break and take your silliness elsewhere!
    Oh, note the avatar - whomever is doing this to me is one sick pup and there are only two possibilies.. Whiskey Jack is my deceased partner, Taiga the wolf dog is my dog and Sage is my horse.. Only two people on this forum know this.. Whomever is using it for their twisted lil games should get a life.. Stop It! You aint right in the head!!
    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post
    For those of you that are interested in predator control, you might be interested in following what this organization is doing in the lower 48. Or if you would like to voice your opinion.


    Proposed plans released to create a "Yellowstone" of the Southern Rockies.....

    Folks,

    I am sending you the official
    Proposed plans released to create a "Yellowstone" of the Southern Rockies.....

    Folks,

    I am sending you the official plan from the federal government to place wolves in the Southern Rockies. Every sportsman in America needs to see this plan. These plans will spread wolves into 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Here is what they are doing: Baca National Wildlife refuge in Southern Colorado will have wolves transplanted in 2012 if portions of this plan are implemented. Baca is much, much smaller than Yellowstone. It is only 70 Miles from Northern New Mexico. It is only 250 Miles from Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. Wolves can travel that far in less than a week.

    Yellowstone National Park was used to introduce wolves to the Northern Rockies. Without your help, history will repeat itself this year in the Southern Rockies.

    See the official plan for yourself at the link below (look on page 8, bottom of the first column where they mention the introduction of wolves in Colorado's Baca National Wildlife Refuge).

    http://www.fws.gov/alamosa/planning/...date2_web2.pdf

    Here is how you can help stop these plans:
    (1) Spread the word: Send this email to 10 friends and ask them to forward this email to more friends.
    (2) Join the Fight: If you haven't already, sign the online petition to stop these wolf expansion plans at http://biggameforever.org
    (3) Take Action: It only takes 30 seconds to send a message to your representatives in Congress to stop these plans. Simply go tohttp://biggameforever.org/takeaction and click the “Take Action” button to send a message in support of two bills in Congress, S. 249 and H.R. 509, the Big Game and Livestock Protection Act. Without S. 249 and H.R. 509, it will be very difficult to slow down these plans to expand wolves throughout 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Without a very substantial outcry from sportsmen and livestock owners, wolves will very likely be placed in Colorado this year. While attempts have been made to dismiss the use of wolves as "not the preferred alternative," now that they are an official part of the plan, we are one very small step away from having wolves introduced into Baca National Widlife Refuge. We can't leave this to chance.

    Over 10,000 messages have already been sent to Congress to stop the plans to put wolves in the Baca, but we need many, many more. Especially from the 600,0000 hunters in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah.

    We all need to join the fight to stop this from happening. Remember, Idaho's elk harvest has been cut in half by wolves. Wolves have been a huge burden for livestock producers. Without substantial changes to the underlying statutes, it is a bad idea to spread these failed policies to the Southern Rockies.

    Here are some news articles about these plans for wolves in Colorado.

    http://www.chieftain.com/news/region...871e3ce6c.html

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...35/detail.html

    http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headli...138133208.html

    http://trib.com/news/state-and-local...01facb586.html

    http://pagosasprings.com/wolf-releas...e-for-comfort/

    We are continuing to research this developing story. We will keep you apprised as developments arise.

    Thanks for your willingness to join the fight to protect our ranching and outdoor heritage.
    --
    Ryan Benson
    http://biggameforever.org/
    ryandbenson@msn.complan from the federal government to place wolves in the Southern Rockies. Every sportsman in America needs to see this plan. These plans will spread wolves into 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Here is what they are doing: Baca National Wildlife refuge in Southern Colorado will have wolves transplanted in 2012 if portions of this plan are implemented. Baca is much, much smaller than Yellowstone. It is only 70 Miles from Northern New Mexico. It is only 250 Miles from Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. Wolves can travel that far in less than a week.

    Yellowstone National Park was used to introduce wolves to the Northern Rockies. Without your help, history will repeat itself this year in the Southern Rockies.

    See the official plan for yourself at the link below (look on page 8, bottom of the first column where they mention the introduction of wolves in Colorado's Baca National Wildlife Refuge).

    http://www.fws.gov/alamosa/planning/...date2_web2.pdf

    Here is how you can help stop these plans:
    (1) Spread the word: Send this email to 10 friends and ask them to forward this email to more friends.
    (2) Join the Fight: If you haven't already, sign the online petition to stop these wolf expansion plans at http://biggameforever.org
    (3) Take Action: It only takes 30 seconds to send a message to your representatives in Congress to stop these plans. Simply go tohttp://biggameforever.org/takeaction and click the “Take Action” button to send a message in support of two bills in Congress, S. 249 and H.R. 509, the Big Game and Livestock Protection Act. Without S. 249 and H.R. 509, it will be very difficult to slow down these plans to expand wolves throughout 97.5% of all elk in America.

    Without a very substantial outcry from sportsmen and livestock owners, wolves will very likely be placed in Colorado this year. While attempts have been made to dismiss the use of wolves as "not the preferred alternative," now that they are an official part of the plan, we are one very small step away from having wolves introduced into Baca National Widlife Refuge. We can't leave this to chance.

    Over 10,000 messages have already been sent to Congress to stop the plans to put wolves in the Baca, but we need many, many more. Especially from the 600,0000 hunters in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah.

    We all need to join the fight to stop this from happening. Remember, Idaho's elk harvest has been cut in half by wolves. Wolves have been a huge burden for livestock producers. Without substantial changes to the underlying statutes, it is a bad idea to spread these failed policies to the Southern Rockies.

    Here are some news articles about these plans for wolves in Colorado.

    http://www.chieftain.com/news/region...871e3ce6c.html

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...35/detail.html

    http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headli...138133208.html

    http://trib.com/news/state-and-local...01facb586.html

    http://pagosasprings.com/wolf-releas...e-for-comfort/

    We are continuing to research this developing story. We will keep you apprised as developments arise.

    Thanks for your willingness to join the fight to protect our ranching and outdoor heritage.
    --
    Ryan Benson
    http://biggameforever.org/
    ryandbenson@msn.com

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    I'm all for a healthy ecosystem. Wolves are native to a great deal of the lower 48, domestic livestock are not. Having alpha predators around keeps the wild things in check. Example Yellowstone: Wolves lower elk numbers, willows aspen and cottonwoods are able to gain footholds in riparian areas, beavers return now that food is available, trout thrive in beaver ponds, etc. Let's consider the big picture, and not just harvest statistics or animal xenophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewolfwatching View Post
    WOW! People actually fall for this political mumbo jumbo haha.. Currently standing on one of Alaska's own ranches... When we hear the wolves call we simply 'grin' and thank god.. means there's more to trap!!
    Hey....I'm happy for ya. Glad you are in love with your wolves. And hopefully someday you won't have to see that your moose are all gone like we have here on the Peninsula because of lack of predator control, both wolf AND bear.

    And besides.....AK is a lot different than the lower 48. But if you think it can't happen where you live then you are kidding yourself.

    So instead of me just going by your word, why don't you give me something to back up your BS. In fact why don't all you guys give me some facts stating why you say wolf control is bs in the lower 48...??? Cause it sure sounds like that's what you are saying.

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    The history of the earth can back up my BS.. Ever did any serious research or you another ORG go getter with a blindfold??
    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post
    Hey....I'm happy for ya. Glad you are in love with your wolves. And hopefully someday you won't have to see that your moose are all gone like we have here on the Peninsula because of lack of predator control, both wolf AND bear.

    And besides.....AK is a lot different than the lower 48. But if you think it can't happen where you live then you are kidding yourself.

    So instead of me just going by your word, why don't you give me something to back up your BS. In fact why don't all you guys give me some facts stating why you say wolf control is bs in the lower 48...??? Cause it sure sounds like that's what you are saying.

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    Oh, BTW, I'm not in love with my wolves haha.. I am one..
    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post
    Hey....I'm happy for ya. Glad you are in love with your wolves. And hopefully someday you won't have to see that your moose are all gone like we have here on the Peninsula because of lack of predator control, both wolf AND bear.

    And besides.....AK is a lot different than the lower 48. But if you think it can't happen where you live then you are kidding yourself.

    So instead of me just going by your word, why don't you give me something to back up your BS. In fact why don't all you guys give me some facts stating why you say wolf control is bs in the lower 48...??? Cause it sure sounds like that's what you are saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewolfwatching View Post
    The history of the earth can back up my BS..
    Oh ok....you win......you got it all figured out so I'll leave you to it.

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    Am i missing something or did a contributing forum member just refer to himself as a canine??? Thats a pretty neat trick...typing with paws and all. Jusr sayin. This aint my fight but i couldnt resist...

    I love predators....all of em. I spend a good portion of each year hunting and killing them. Ive got mixed.feelings about there.reintroduction.in the.lower forty eight...not cause i have anything against wolves, more that i have doubts.in our individual states ability to nut it up and control them when needed. Unless your an idiot or just arent familiar with the consequences that uncontrolled predator populations bring then youll knowl that they need it...no doubts there...

    On the other hand id love to see wolves were theyve always been.....some that posted here i think are forgetting that our developement has made many of the places wolves once roamed now unfit for that kind of predator....to much conflict with people and.all there traipsings. Because we after all, come first....

    On another note....i will continue to kill or assist in the killling of of every wolf i legally can...and love em the whole time.


    Hey wolf...how many wolves do you trap in a years time? Jus wonderin. Cause slight to considerable fluctuations in wolf pop aint gonna effect your catch much unless your a **** good wolfer....and you may be...i was just curious....in fact im still curious how you type with the paws and all that...

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    Feds can't control wolf populations. The only way they should be able to be reintroduced into the southern rockies; are if the surrounding states can manage them on their own. I've heard the shiras moose in the northern rockies have been just hammered by the wolves in that region.

    The feds don't realize this, but they hurt themselves by not allowing wolf management faster after the reintroduction into yellowstone. Now nobody that hunts will want wolves reintroduced into other western states, because they know they wont be able to manage them until their populations are out of hand and millions of dollars are spent in court and legislature battles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 33outdoorsman View Post
    Feds can't control wolf populations. The only way they should be able to be reintroduced into the southern rockies; are if the surrounding states can manage them on their own.
    And from what I can see, because of the efforts of this organization, some of the states now CAN manage them on their own. I see this as a good thing.

    I also want to ask those that have scoffed at my post if they are also against aerial wolf hunting in AK.???

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitroshrew View Post
    ....Wolves are native to a great deal of the lower 48, domestic livestock are not.
    Seeing that you brought this up, is that what you think all this is about......a bunch of pissed off ranchers???

    Understand that I believe in the role predators play in the ecosystem as well. But I also feel that man is the caretaker of this land...especially in this day in age when it seems man has played a big part in throwing off the balance of so many things. So I believe it's man's duty, and best interests, to at least "try" and keep predators in check when the balance is thrown off. I think this IS looking at the overall "big picture".....

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    Big Game For Us tried to kill the wolf delisting legislation in MT and ID. They are scoundrels and a pox on the entire landscape of hunting. They hustled MT and ID hunters for donations, then used the money to try screw us over by killing our delisting bill. Good thing they lost,

    Here is what their sister organization, SFW, has been doing in AK. Seems they were trying to change your constitution to try make wildlife be owned by landowners, rather than held in trust for the public citizens of AK.


    Link here - http://www.adn.com/2012/03/03/235050...s-weighed.html

    Speaking from experience here in MT, do not trust BGF or SFW with your wildlife decisions. They have a track record as bad as the anti-hunter groups when it comes to topics relevant to resident hunters.

    NRA, SCI, B&C, and CSF said it best last year when BGF/SFW screwed all of them over because those groups worked to pass the MT and ID wolf delisting legislation that BGF/SFW hated. Read this press release from NRA and see what they think of those two groups after they tried to screw over the MT and ID delisting.

    http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/...4711jzrfxykqtu


    Quote by the NRA in that release - "Congressional offices and members of the media should exercise caution in accepting as fact, or repeating, any claims made by Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, Big Game Forever or any person claiming to represent them. Due to the blatant misrepresentation contained in the press release circulated by these two groups, any claims they make in the future should be thoroughly investigated and independently confirmed."

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    Maybe most folks should spend some time here and see that Bears and Wolves are in sync with the ecosystem.......but then again, the southern 49 is way outta balance........

    Gee , after reading that, it dont make no sense that the Wolves an Bears havent wiped out the 375,000 Caribou WACH, our over populated Moose, and all the game that roams this land.......them predators have had 1,000,000 years + just cant seem to do it right..... and all without benifit of roads, fences, clearcuts, mega citys and habitat loss from farms and ranches, cronic wasteing disease, brucilliousis, lyme disease and all the other things that make the Hunting down south so great.

    Man is the Top predator, is he really being controlled?
    If you can't Kill it with a 30-06, you should Hide.

    "Dam it all", The Beaver told me.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Fin View Post
    Big Game For Us tried to kill the wolf delisting legislation in MT and ID. They are scoundrels and a pox on the entire landscape of hunting. They hustled MT and ID hunters for donations, then used the money to try screw us over by killing our delisting bill. Good thing they lost,

    Here is what their sister organization, SFW, has been doing in AK. Seems they were trying to change your constitution to try make wildlife be owned by landowners, rather than held in trust for the public citizens of AK.


    Link here - http://www.adn.com/2012/03/03/235050...s-weighed.html

    Speaking from experience here in MT, do not trust BGF or SFW with your wildlife decisions. They have a track record as bad as the anti-hunter groups when it comes to topics relevant to resident hunters.

    NRA, SCI, B&C, and CSF said it best last year when BGF/SFW screwed all of them over because those groups worked to pass the MT and ID wolf delisting legislation that BGF/SFW hated. Read this press release from NRA and see what they think of those two groups after they tried to screw over the MT and ID delisting.

    http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/...4711jzrfxykqtu


    Quote by the NRA in that release - "Congressional offices and members of the media should exercise caution in accepting as fact, or repeating, any claims made by Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, Big Game Forever or any person claiming to represent them. Due to the blatant misrepresentation contained in the press release circulated by these two groups, any claims they make in the future should be thoroughly investigated and independently confirmed."
    First you said "Big Game For Us" so I din't know what you were talking about. But was this just one person trying to do something to discredit the organization? Because from what I read, I thought Big Game Forever helped to push through the delisting in ID. and MT. ???
    So I guess I am now totally confused....

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    Quote Originally Posted by strangerinastrangeland View Post
    Maybe most folks should spend some time here and see that Bears and Wolves are in sync with the ecosystem.......but then again, the southern 49 is way outta balance........

    Gee , after reading that, it dont make no sense that the Wolves an Bears havent wiped out the 375,000 Caribou WACH, our over populated Moose, and all the game that roams this land.......them predators have had 1,000,000 years + just cant seem to do it right..... and all without benifit of roads, fences, clearcuts, mega citys and habitat loss from farms and ranches, cronic wasteing disease, brucilliousis, lyme disease and all the other things that make the Hunting down south so great.

    Man is the Top predator, is he really being controlled?

    Ah chip, you have the good fortune of living a lifestyle in a part of alaska in which your statements are absolutely true
    I daresay the average american man is a far cry from approaching any predator status...and while we are.the.only animal capable of controlling ourselveswe so often just dont get that job done very well.

    Surely your aware of area where the "sync" you mention isnt nearly so balanced...the balance of nature isnt nearly so level as the discovery channel would have our masses believe. And when you speak of your western arctic herd and the vast wilderness you call home...you cant in the same breath speak of the heavily populated southern rockies and compare the impact wild wolves with little to no management or any means of control by humans would have on the existing rearranged (by us of course) ecosystem...can you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4merguide View Post
    First you said "Big Game For Us" so I din't know what you were talking about. But was this just one person trying to do something to discredit the organization? Because from what I read, I thought Big Game Forever helped to push through the delisting in ID. and MT. ???
    So I guess I am now totally confused....
    Sorry my attempt at humor probably didn't come across well. Many in the lower 48 call Big Game Forever, Big Game For Us, given their penchant of screwing over the common man.

    Good luck finding one shred of evidence that they had anything to do with the delising in MT and ID, or the Great Lakes States. They make claims of such, but those of us involved know better.

    Rather than trust what I might have for opinions, do your own research. Read the release the NRA issued when BGF lied about the position of the NRA, et al.

    BGF sponsored a bill they like to say was how we got delisting. It is HR 509. Here is a link. They got a sponsor in January of 2011, over a year ago. Look at the status of the bill - still waiting for a committee hearing. That was their silver bullet. A misfire, or better yet, a blank.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-509

    I really have no skin in the AK game, except for traveling there to hunt with my AK family members, whenever I can. Don't take my word for anything, just do your own research and see what you find. I would hate to see AK messed up by the efforts of BGF/SFW any further than has already happened. So, I thought I would post some other facts for people to consider. Each person will make their own determination.

    My opinion, formed from fighting for wolf delisting in MT for the last fifteen years, is that BGF has accomplished nothing, unless trying to derail MT and ID is considered an accomplishment. And, they like to take credit for everything. When confronted with the real facts, they run and hide, fast.

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