Since we do not now have a boat with a fish/depth finder or downriggers, how would I determine how much line to let out when trolling for salmon? (silvers primarily). We've used the divers that are used on the Kenai river to get the herring down with success, but have no idea how much line to let out or how far the diver is actually going down vs. line let out. We just guess at it, and it seems to work (well, it did the one time we tried it!) I think we were lucky! I'm not even sure of the depth of water around the shoreline in/around Seward; close in to the harbor, I know it probably gets deeper the farther away from shore. I was thinking about maybe getting some line counter reels and try to get some method to our madness! I've also heard of catching rockfish, etc on "needle" type jigs/lures? What's the best kind to use? Is color important when fishing for bottom fish?