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Thread: Moose Meat for Fire-Wood

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    Default Moose Meat for Fire-Wood

    Did anybody read the article from the News-Miner about the guy who bartered some moose meat for some firewood. I'd sure like to know some more details about the situation. The link to the story is:

    http://www.newsminer.com/pages/full_...20&id=17180541

    Let's assume the guy was using the firewood to heat his personal home (and keep his family warm). What are your thoughts ... mercy? or justice? or ????
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    Would have to know the whole story to say
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    Another trooper trying to make a name for himself. The guy just needed wood to stay warm. I guess in the States mind it would be better to provide taxpayer public assistance than barter.

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    I agree with Will, we need to kow the whole story. I seriously doubt a trooper is trying to make a name for himself, there just isn't any reason to, Ask Mike Wooten.

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    Wouldn't it be better to vote on the laws themselves, and then live by them; rather than querying opinion each time a law is violated with intent of determining on a case by case basis who should or should not be held to the law?
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    Meat for heat seems like common sense thing to allow. If I had a cold house I can't think of many things I wouldn't do to rectify that problem! The issue is based in our real need to keep people from market hunting. I don't know that there is a logical solution.

    We simply make it a habbit of being giving when we have an abundance of something. For instance I offer my shop space to friends when they need to work on something. One of those buddies that uses my shop heats with gas only yet has tons of birch on his property. When he has blow downs or needs to clear space I get the call and he helps me buck up the trees and haul it home. We share meat as well, from salmon to moose we all seem to have more of something than we need. No quid-pro-quo, no documentation of so called "depts" just an honest desire to help each other out where we can. Truly sad deal with this provided that all meat was legally taken and the need for heat was real is that the guy didn't have a network of folks there to help without "bartering".

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    I can't see any poll results, am I the only one who voted?

    My Opinion, without knowing any more details, Heat for Food,(?)....Among Us,...(?)

    Drop charges, go after more serious offenses in the game management scenario

    (Oh, I see it now, interesting results, and an interesting thread I think, just for kicks)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truenorthed View Post
    Did anybody read the article from the News-Miner about the guy who bartered some moose meat for some firewood. I'd sure like to know some more details about the situation. The link to the story is:

    http://www.newsminer.com/pages/full_...20&id=17180541

    Let's assume the guy was using the firewood to heat his personal home (and keep his family warm). What are your thoughts ... mercy? or justice? or ????
    There is a thread that has been going around all morning: http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...68#post1067568

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    i dont normally stick my nose in others legal issues... but this might be a hearing worth visiting... just to know whats up. cant imagine it will really amount to much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    Wouldn't it be better to vote on the laws themselves, and then live by them; rather than querying opinion each time a law is violated with intent of determining on a case by case basis who should or should not be held to the law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    Would have to know the whole story to say
    Yup, always the case.

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    I can and do trade/barter furs, skins, and Caribou all the do da day, in Unit23 its quite legal, but I still cannot do so with Moose, Muxkox and such.

    The general rule of Thumb is that when $$ exchanges hands, laws are broke, though thats not at all the case here.

    I think he should just be warned, at least the first time.
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    I dont get why you need to know the whole story. LEO always makes decisions whether or not to charge someone with a crime. What the guy did was illegal. He bartered. That is illegal in the regs.

    I think he should be warned and it should be dropped. He may not have intended to break the law, but he did. One time warning....about the same as getting out of a speeding ticket. The cop sees you speeding again later that day and you will probably get hit with alot more than just a speeding ticket...just for being a dumbdonkey.

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    You are right. I would need more of the story on whether to make the choice between a wrning and a fine. He did indeed break the law but whether intentionally or not, whether real need or not, are some of the unknowns.

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    Know he has money and to me rapes resourses so along with a mine he may just get a shaft
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    Had to vote guilty as the law now stands. But as long as it was a legally harvested moose, and legally harvested wood, I disagree with the law.

    As I saw pointed out elsewhere, if he had just been given the wood or he had just given the moose meat away, no laws would have been broken. So why not allow bartering of legally taken resources?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodux View Post
    So why not allow bartering of legally taken resources?
    Why indeed? Can someone speak to the reasoning behind the law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    Why indeed? Can someone speak to the reasoning behind the law?
    sure can... pay attention to the BOG meeting you might learn a bit ... this is supposed to be re written.. ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    sure can...
    By all means, please do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkwarthog View Post
    I dont get why you need to know the whole story. LEO always makes decisions whether or not to charge someone with a crime. What the guy did was illegal. He bartered. That is illegal in the regs.

    I think he should be warned and it should be dropped. He may not have intended to break the law, but he did. One time warning....about the same as getting out of a speeding ticket. The cop sees you speeding again later that day and you will probably get hit with alot more than just a speeding ticket...just for being a dumbdonkey.

    Prosecuter decides on charges not the LEO, there was a real lame duck pros. in the north slope bourough that was not charging even in clear breaking the law type arrests. She would call up the arresting NSBP officer and instruct them that no charges were being brought and to let the detained person go.

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