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    OK Guys, I'm a very experienced hunter-shot over 50 whitetails in Maine and New Hampshire, but I don't know jack about grizzlies. I'll be doing a lot of fishing in bear country and want the real skinny on what is considered an adequate gun for protection. The few times I've done this in the past I carried a 12 Ga with slugs. Figured that would have as much stopping power as anything at close range. It's so cumbersome and such a pain to lug around and keep track of, I'm considering carrying my 44 MAG revolver instead. Is this adequate? In the unlikely event of a no BS attack, when would you decide to shoot and what would you aim for ??
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    I'm not trigger happy and am aware of "false charges"
    I'll be sure to look up all the resident requirements and restrictions for carrying firearms
    Oh yeah- to save the comedians the trouble - I know- save the last bullet for myself -ha
    Can't wait for the responses to this one

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    first thing guys will say is search the archives, there has to be pages on this questions....

    any gun will work if the shot is right, i'd go with the 44 over the shotgun, you can operate it with one hand, more manuverable and should have enough ohhpphffff to at least deter the bear, the object of be protection is not to kill the bear dead with one shot, its to keep the bear from getting you. wether that means killing it on the spot or having it die later, as long as it ain't on top of you. defense of life is just that, to make sure you stay alive.
    i carry a 10mm auto on the rivers with me and when i hunt brushy bear salmon streams and i'm confident it'll work.
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    It all depends on the circumstances, myself I don't save the last bullet for myself, its for the bear, time allowing. Also I don't fire warning shots any more, wastes a good bullet. False charges are what I've recieved from Park service, any "false charge" from 50-60 feet away draws lead and as much as can be provided, remember a bear can outrun a Quarter horse for a short distance. Myself I can different weapons at different times, 44 mag, 12 ga/shoulder stock, 12ga/pistol grip, single shot 10ga "H&R bear stopper + rifles. No guarentee with any weapons. All I can say when its "up close and personal", shoot like your life depends on it.

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    Default bear gun...

    Lots of archive info as Brwnbr said.

    My two cents would be:
    For more confidence... 12 gauge with brenneke slugs/triple 000 staggered loads, short barrel with over the shoulder sling.
    For convenience, a revolver--at least a .41, preferably a .460 to .500. on the hip.


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    For personal security, 10ga with 1 3/4 oz hollow point super slugs...

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    [quote=BRWNBR;83537]first thing guys will say is search the archives, there has to be pages on this questions....quote]

    How true.....

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    search button is your friend.

    shotgun is a poor choice, heavy caliber levergun (.444, .450, .45-70, etc.) is the same weight and much more effective.

    hanguns; .357 with stout loads or heavier caliber. if you can still place your shots with it under stress.

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    OK Guys,
    First of all, thanks to those who took the time to respond. As for checking the archives, you may have beaten this to death in the past but the "pages" of info in the archives only go back two months and I only found one post that related to my question. Is there a way to retrieve anything older than that ??
    Thanks, New to Forum
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    Emo we're just ribbing you, no offense intended...

    If you look at the top right of the screen you'll see a link that says Old Forums. You can click on that link and it will take you to everything that's ever been posted on every forum back to 2006 or so.... There is also a search (http://http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/akforum/forum_search.php) feature that allows you to look at everything that has the word "bear" in it for instance. It goes back pretty far too.

    But there has been several threads with a lot of pertanent information on this subject posted the last week or two on the hunting and shooting forums. I do realize that they may not include the pros and cons of shotgun versus handgun but if you read between the lines you'll get the answers you seek! All these threads have one thing in common, "what will stop a bear!"

    http://http://forums.outdoorsdirecto...ad.php?t=10839
    http://http://forums.outdoorsdirecto...ead.php?t=9912
    http://http://forums.outdoorsdirecto...ad.php?t=10671
    http://http://forums.outdoorsdirecto...ad.php?t=10429

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    I dont know what you have been able to pull from the archives. But I always throw this doc out for people to read.

    http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf

    Here is a good list of threads:
    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ead.php?t=1007
    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ead.php?t=7511
    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ead.php?t=5142


    That being said, I like my Marlin GG in .450Marlin, if I am not fishing. I used to carry a shotgun, but I am more accurate and faster with my lever.

    If I am fishing, I like my SW500.

    This is one of those situations where there is never going to be a definitive single solution.

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    Talking How sweet it is !!

    Thanks guys,
    I did find the site search engine after looking around enough just after my last post. (sweet) Just like trying to fly an airplane with a Heads Up Display. Just too much information to absorb all at once!-ha My son will get a kick out of this - he majored in computer science and works for Microsoft. He sure as h--- didn't get it from me!
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    Default lightweight bear protection

    AR15 in .458 SOCOM by teppo jutsu and rock river.

    Uses standard AR mags unmodified and holds 10 rounds .458 in a 16" barrel M4 style semi auto that is rugged and all weather ready.

    http://www.teppojutsu.com/

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    Default handguns for bear defense

    All handguns are inferior to carbines for defense.

    Hunting handguns (as opposed to defense handguns) and hunting of animals unaware of your existence is a different story where power is better.

    Attacks are best defended with deep penetration and multiple hits (better to connect with CNS)as adrenline is a factor.

    Killing a bear of wounds after you die is of little value. So I think .44 mags and bigger are better for hunting.

    Defense would be better I think with a semi auto with FMJ or bonded softpoints or both combined in 10mm or .40S&W or whatever.

    Something combat ready like an H&K .40 compact, Beretta M96, Colt 10mm 1911 etc.

    Something impervious to the elements and easily operated one handed.

    I think more rounds are better, especially when aiming is gonna be almost impossible.

    The only real benefit to a handgun is that it will probably be more likley to be on you and wont drown you as fast as a rifle.

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    Just a side note.

    The rogue killer bear that killed Treadwell and his partner was dispatched with 11 shots from a glock .40 S&W and 2 remington 870 shotguns in 12ga.

    (or so I read)

    http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

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    http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYNPCdJpc6o

    This guy end's up just like Treadwell...

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    The best advice is to be alert when in bear country and let them know your around. Keep your food away from your camp, along with personal hygene items toothpaste, soap etc. I carry a glock 10mm with two fifteen round clips. I like the fact that it is lightweight and doesn't end up in a pack where it won't do any good when a bear is tapdancing on your back. First hand experience there second don't hit a bear with a backpack it just pisses them off even a small blackbear !!!

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    My firsthand experience says a Glock 40 S&W is worthless against bears. Even a 6' blackie at 25'. In this case I was the guy with the 40 S&W. No good. Honey handed me a 12ga w/000 buck. Mo' bettah!

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    Your first line of defence should be common sense
    Your second be what ever you can put on target 100% of the time while crapping yourself, for most pepper spray is the best because it creates a such a huge cloud of defence, it also doesn't leave you with a dead bear.
    I choose to fly fish, not because its easy, but because its hard.

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    Except for bruins that enjoy a pepper steak <grin>....


    Quote Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey View Post
    Your first line of defence should be common sense
    Your second be what ever you can put on target 100% of the time while crapping yourself, for most pepper spray is the best because it creates a such a huge cloud of defence, it also doesn't leave you with a dead bear.

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    Try using any of it when the Sow is 8 feet away and you don't have time to realize that 700 lbs is moving at twenty mph, you have 1 second,.. good luck with multiple clips, long barrels....then throw in 2- 450 lbs cubs.... most senerios are different----you might be ready but your partner is inbetween you and Yogi. The element of suprise will overpower any weapon made, good luck!

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