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    I am wondering if anyone has been on the trail from pt mac. to beluga powerlines....can the big su be crossed yet? is the trail in working condition? I have some gear to haul and would appreciate a report! i assumed the river wouldnt be crossable until feb but if someone has done it i am willing to take a look. any information would be appreciated thanks!!!
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    The big Su Is crossed around Thankgiving give or take a week. here,s link Where Alexander was out there around 11/10 This yr.Pict. of Post #12.

    The power line,s i dont know i would think it is closer to the inlet, would it be affected by the tide??We run trail, call the gas line.. Where are you headed.. Maybe Alexander jump in here, He knows that area pretty good good .
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    The trail from Pt. Mac to the Big Su is good. From there - not sure if there is a trail across Bell Island on the gasline across Bell Island. There is a trail that goes north that the AC people use, but that will add more distance to your trip. So it's better to go across Bell Island. Like a previous poster said - if you are going to Beluga or Tyonek from Pt. Mac - you follow the gasline if you want a trail, not the power lines. Bottom line - alexander knows the trails. Paypal him 20 bucks and you should get some good advice.

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    I have flown it but I have never taken a machine. Is bell island the big island at the mouth? Where do I find this gasline? thanks for the help guys.
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    http://ww1.matsugov.us/CommunityDeve...ail-conditions
    here,s link to ...should be able to find trail maps on link also........pfd file want map 6
    If not the alaska Atlas pg. 82.. look for Pt mackenzie on to Ayshire Rd..It should start from there

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    I have taken the gas pipe line trail to the west sided of the Big Sue several times and I have been turned back 8 out of 10 times. Just before making it to the west side there was open water and the bank on the west side is a 6 foot vertical wall. If you do not know where to find the access point I do not know how you will get a heavy load across the Big Sue with out knowing where to look. Do you have any experience finding you way across thin ice?

    Itís about 50 miles to Beluga, most of the trail is hard packed snow and there areas that you may have to break a trail will you be able to pull a heavy load across soft snow? In the swamp west of the Big Sue you may in counter overflow? It not as bad as Iím making it sounds for a couple of guys on a day trip. Trying to hall freight on a soft trail may be more than your snowmobile can handle.

    Another problem you will have is the Beluga road is hard packed and you will over heat your snowmobile, Can you have someone waiting with a truck at the pipe line trail on the Beluga side to transport your load to where it goings? If that not possible plan on ice scrapers and a lot of stopping if they donít work. You might constitute making a trip with a light load and see how it goes.

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    Well I actually have a boat over there at my cabin I have to haul back. I'll be going over empty. And the road closest to the river is only a few road miles from my shack. (mouth of the Lewis). What do you think?
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    I know Freeman is making trips.
    If the bluff that rutting moose is talking about is the one I know...I go upriver to Alexander when it is like that. (Good burgers there)
    There is a trail thru the trees just below Alexander that cuts back to the pipeline trail. And yes, overflow on 8 mile swamp can be a bugger. But you'll be ok, you have a boat.
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    bullbuster - I don't think you've been to Alex. Creek for a few years. Gabberts has been closed year-round for several years. No burgers, booze or beans on Alex. Creek anymore.

    To avoid the cutbank on the west side of the main channel of the Big Su - there usually is a trail to the SOUTH, along the southern edge of Bell Island. It then cuts back onto the gasline trail by going up a middle slough in Bell Island. The folks from Tyonek use this route a lot. It's shorter than going to AC. And the Tyonek people haul a lot on this route. I hear Freeman has a groomer now - so you might find good trails in the swamp and leading to the gas houses where the trail connects to the Beluga road system. And the Beluga road system is usually good riding. Freeman plows it and leaves enough snow for snowmobilers. Unless of course a chinook ruins it.

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    Trail to Beluga is fine. Most riders have been taken the north trail by the Alexander and down to the gas line on the Su. I groomed the trail from fish creek to Alexander and the markers are in across the big Su.The south trail has been traveled and I know that Bob Freeman has a new groomer so the trail from the Su to Beluga out to be good! Sorry didnt respond sooner, have been in the lower forty eight and internet free for over a week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK375HH View Post
    Well I actually have a boat over there at my cabin I have to haul back. I'll be going over empty. And the road closest to the river is only a few road miles from my shack. (mouth of the Lewis). What do you think?
    How big is the boat? How do you plan on hauling it out?

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    It is a 14' Jon. Im going to build a tow bar and bolt it to the front and go.
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    Fallwinter 0809 043 (Small).jpgFallwinter 0809 045 (Small).jpgThey don,t tow ,easy as you would think.In those bumps it will pound the hell out of it. maybe pulling the loop out off the front.
    Ha, Ask me how i know.,Unless it is and old beater boat and you don,t care i would but some type of sled underneath it.
    Even those roll up plastic for game would work better than nothing. This is the sled i used last time, i did that. It was built to haul logs/ trees, Good luck with your trip. Let us know how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SusitnaAk View Post
    Fallwinter 0809 043 (Small).jpgFallwinter 0809 045 (Small).jpgThey don,t tow ,easy as you would think.In those bumps it will pound the hell out of it. maybe pulling the loop out off the front.
    Ha, Ask me how i know.,Unless it is and old beater boat and you don,t care i would but some type of sled underneath it.
    Even those roll up plastic for game would work better than nothing. This is the sled i used last time, i did that. It was built to haul logs/ trees, Good luck with your trip. Let us know how it goes.
    AK357HH, I have to haul some iron to Beluga at some point this month, I can back haul your boat for you on my return trip if you want. I have 2 13 foot frieght sleds and a back haul is cheaper too. SusitnaAK is right you will probaly have to replace more rivots than its worth if you haul it on the ground.

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    well, the boat isn't exactly in beluga. its within 2 miles of the big su mouth as the crow flies. i just use beluga because i know of the gasline trail and i would be on it most of the trip. I have had some people suggest just dragging it... I was pretty sure most of the trip was groomed or wind blown... I have thought about putting something under it. Would the price of a backhaul be cheaper than me doing it myself? I planned on putting cut 2x4's around the bold hole to act as a give point, and washers...with metal washers on the outside of course. SO HOW ABOUT THEY JUST BUILD A ROAD?!?! lol is that going to happen?
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    Thereís no amount of money that will buy you the education you will get by trying to get your boat home. So my suggestion is to do it yourself. Just think you will have one shot at having everything you need and doing it right the first time; or come back and try it again. Do you even have a snowmobile capable of towing the boat slowly? It doesnít really matter it will just make for a more entertaining reading, when you tell us what happen.

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    I have an m7....there will be an m1000, m8, and bear cat 660 with me...all setup with hitches...sooo...obviously my boat...ill start off...if it's not working out...we obviously have a widetrack going....and possibly a tracked muddox. i am a friend of a cat dealership owner, and he said i can take as many belts as i want and pay for the ones i burn when i return them lol. This is a one time thing, I may haul small loads into my duck shack other year but this will be the only big haul i do. I am a little nervous about doing it, just because so many people have so many different opinions. Most people said the boat will tow fine, and now a few said it won't i guess all i can do is find out. Its only january....I can make a few trips if needed.
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    Use the 660 to tow it. The boat is going to be empty? Make sure the tow bar is pulling parrallel. If your bar angle is to steep it will make the bow dig in. A longer pull bar would be better then a short one. If you encounter any areas with a sharp break, steep up angle/steep down angle may consider using something to lessen the approach angle.

    If rope towing use a following sled as a brake. Forget the boards on the outside to much drag. Someone mentioned using those plastic sleds good idea but would need a few to make it effective. If the boat is not for sure rigid consider stiffing it up using 2x4's.

    I helped someone fold....I mean move a boat awhile back. I was looking for pictures but can't find them. There was also a pretty good load on board. If we had placed a couple of 2x4's along the floor it would have propably would not have bent it as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK375HH View Post
    well, the boat isn't exactly in beluga. its within 2 miles of the big su mouth as the crow flies. i just use beluga because i know of the gasline trail and i would be on it most of the trip. I have had some people suggest just dragging it... I was pretty sure most of the trip was groomed or wind blown... I have thought about putting something under it. Would the price of a backhaul be cheaper than me doing it myself? I planned on putting cut 2x4's around the bold hole to act as a give point, and washers...with metal washers on the outside of course. SO HOW ABOUT THEY JUST BUILD A ROAD?!?! lol is that going to happen?
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    Tell you what AK357HH I live on the Alexander and you have to go by me to get to the gasline. I'll go with you to retrieve it and haul it in to the parking lot for you if you pay my gas. I have a 4 stroke swt skandik so it will only be about 4 gallons of gas. I haul frieght for everyone on the Lower Su and Flat horn so it wont be a hassle since I go to PT.Mac five days a week anyway. You might want to park at the store instead of the borough parking lot cuz they have been breaking into trucks there. Would be glad to help you out and then you will know the trails too! My cabin is only about 6 miles from the mouth of the Su but you want to go the right way cuz the Su has a lot of open leads due to tide action on the lower end. As you can see by the pics I have a sled capable of hauling it and we will only have to put one strap on it! If you break a trail in for me I'll haul it out for you in no time at all. No need to rig a bunch of stuff then! I wouldnt mind a side adventure like this, it would be like having a day off sort of.
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    375 with a deal like that you can't go wrong. You get the boat hauled and a trail education all for one price. There is a lot of nice people on the forum and then there are some that has starch in their shorts most of the time. Good Luck

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